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07 Jun 2010, 23:20
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Hi Alex,
My friend applied to UNC R1 full time program last year. He was interviewed, waitlisted and rejected in March. He received his feedback from UNC and this is what it said:
"The admissions committee appreciated your work experience at xxxxxxxxxxxxx. Your essays were well written and you received strong letters of recommendation.
Clearly there were very few negatives in your application package since you were placed on the waitlist in deadline 2. However, in order to be admitted in a competitive year your application has to truly stand out. Your GMAT was about average for our pool but an even higher score would obviously have helped you compare more favorably to the pool. Also, your undergraduate grades were not as strong as other applicants."
My friend's GMAT was 710 (Q50, V 35). His undergrad was mid tier Indian engineering schools with below average grades.
UNC's avg GMAT is 680.Now, I know you believe that Indian engineers stress too much about their scores. However in this situation, it does seem that schools (at least UNC) stress as much about GMAT as the indian kids do. Do you think, that average indian/any engineers should start aiming for much higher scores than the "average" 700-720 to give themselves an edge particularly when applying higher ranked schools like Haas/Columbia/ Ross?
Thanks
My friend applied to UNC R1 full time program last year. He was interviewed, waitlisted and rejected in March. He received his feedback from UNC and this is what it said:
"The admissions committee appreciated your work experience at xxxxxxxxxxxxx. Your essays were well written and you received strong letters of recommendation.
Clearly there were very few negatives in your application package since you were placed on the waitlist in deadline 2. However, in order to be admitted in a competitive year your application has to truly stand out. Your GMAT was about average for our pool but an even higher score would obviously have helped you compare more favorably to the pool. Also, your undergraduate grades were not as strong as other applicants."
My friend's GMAT was 710 (Q50, V 35). His undergrad was mid tier Indian engineering schools with below average grades.
UNC's avg GMAT is 680.Now, I know you believe that Indian engineers stress too much about their scores. However in this situation, it does seem that schools (at least UNC) stress as much about GMAT as the indian kids do. Do you think, that average indian/any engineers should start aiming for much higher scores than the "average" 700-720 to give themselves an edge particularly when applying higher ranked schools like Haas/Columbia/ Ross?
Thanks
09 Jun 2010, 17:01
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Dude, this ain't a sex advice column. Your "friend" can ask himself, rather than having "you" ask on his behalf. If he's too shy or timid, then maybe that was the problem in how he came across in the application?
It's not about whether Indians need higher GMAT scores. In any case, what the adcom is basically hinting at is "if your profile is ho-hum, a monster score will help but still not guarantee admission".
What I think Indian engineers need to start doing is to focus more on the subjective aspects of the application -- few adcoms are ever going to say "your essays suck" or "you're dull as cardboard". But that's what they're thinking when they get uninspiring and cookie cutter applications (and they'll say anything but that). I can understand the Pavlovian response amongst many Indians "when in doubt, score higher on the exams" because exam scores and their academic abilities have been what they've been judged on their whole lives, but b-school is a different environment.
I can understand why Indians may believe that they need much higher GMAT scores -- but the thing is, as a group they have a harder time getting in because they have more trouble handling the subjective aspects of the applications process.
It's not about whether Indians need higher GMAT scores. In any case, what the adcom is basically hinting at is "if your profile is ho-hum, a monster score will help but still not guarantee admission".
What I think Indian engineers need to start doing is to focus more on the subjective aspects of the application -- few adcoms are ever going to say "your essays suck" or "you're dull as cardboard". But that's what they're thinking when they get uninspiring and cookie cutter applications (and they'll say anything but that). I can understand the Pavlovian response amongst many Indians "when in doubt, score higher on the exams" because exam scores and their academic abilities have been what they've been judged on their whole lives, but b-school is a different environment.
I can understand why Indians may believe that they need much higher GMAT scores -- but the thing is, as a group they have a harder time getting in because they have more trouble handling the subjective aspects of the applications process.
09 Jun 2010, 18:04
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Thanks for you response Alex. You are absolutely right. I am just wondering what's the point of providing individual feedback when the schools are not going to be honest. Wastes their time and doesn't really help the rejected candidate.
Oh well...
about my friend not asking the question himself...
he chooses not to spend time on the forums...I am sure you would agree that there are smart,outgoing, extrovert people out there who have never visited an online forum before...Wouldn't it be inappropriate to guess somebody's personality based on their forum visiting behavior?
Oh well...
about my friend not asking the question himself...
he chooses not to spend time on the forums...I am sure you would agree that there are smart,outgoing, extrovert people out there who have never visited an online forum before...Wouldn't it be inappropriate to guess somebody's personality based on their forum visiting behavior?
