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If \(w\geq{10}\), then \(min(10,w)=10\).
If \(w<10\), then \(min(10,w)=w\) and for statement(s) to be sufficient we should be able to get single value of \(w\).

Can you explain how you deduced this part?

The question is \(min(10,w)=?\) Basically the question is: what is the value of least number between \(10\) and \(w\)?

Now if \(w\geq{10}\), for instance if \(w=11\), then \(min(10,11)=10\). But if \(w<10\), for instance \(w=9\), then \(min(10,9)=9=w\).

(1) \(w = max(20, z)\) --> \(max(20, z)=20=w\). when \(z\leq{20}\), so \(w=20>10\) and \(min(10,w)=10\) or \(max(20, z)=z=w\). when \(z>{20}\), so \(w=z>10\) and again \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

(2) \(w = max(10, w)\) --> directly tells us that \(w\geq{10}\), hence \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

Answer: D.

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If \(w\geq{10}\), then \(min(10,w)=10\).
If \(w<10\), then \(min(10,w)=w\) and for statement(s) to be sufficient we should be able to get single value of \(w\).

Can you explain how you deduced this part?
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Statement 1 has nice trap built in to catch us under time pressure.

rephrased question is Is \(w\geq10\)?
(1) Gives \(w\geq20\) Sufficient.
(2) Gives \(w\geq 10\) Sufficient

Merging similar topics. Please ask if anything remains unclear.


I am confused about the rephrasing of the question. I thought that Min (10,10) was not a valid answer. Does there have to be a range greater than zero between the min and max?
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Statement 1 has nice trap built in to catch us under time pressure.

rephrased question is Is \(w\geq10\)?
(1) Gives \(w\geq20\) Sufficient.
(2) Gives \(w\geq 10\) Sufficient

Merging similar topics. Please ask if anything remains unclear.


I am confused about the rephrasing of the question. I thought that Min (10,10) was not a valid answer. Does there have to be a range greater than zero between the min and max?

\(min(10,w)=10\) when \(w\geq{10}\);
\(min(10,w)=w\) when \(w<10\)

As for your other question: min(10,10)=10 and max(10,10)=10 too.

Hope it's clear.
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If \(w\geq{10}\), then \(min(10,w)=10\).
If \(w<10\), then \(min(10,w)=w\) and for statement(s) to be sufficient we should be able to get single value of \(w\).

Can you explain how you deduced this part?

The question is \(min(10,w)=?\) Basically the question is: what is the value of least number between \(10\) and \(w\)?

Now if \(w\geq{10}\), for instance if \(w=11\), then \(min(10,11)=10\). But if \(w<10\), for instance \(w=9\), then \(min(10,9)=9=w\).

(1) \(w = max(20, z)\) --> \(max(20, z)=20=w\). when \(z\leq{20}\), so \(w=20>10\) and \(min(10,w)=10\) or \(max(20, z)=z=w\). when \(z>{20}\), so \(w=z>10\) and again \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

(2) \(w = max(10, w)\) --> directly tells us that \(w\geq{10}\), hence \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.

From (1) ; w = max (20, z), then w is greater than or equals to 20. How we have reached at this conclusion ?
We don't know what is the value of z then how we can determine the max value of w ?
Is it because max(5, 2) = 5 as given in the Q stem ? (i.e. selecting first value from the equation)
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If \(w\geq{10}\), then \(min(10,w)=10\).
If \(w<10\), then \(min(10,w)=w\) and for statement(s) to be sufficient we should be able to get single value of \(w\).

Can you explain how you deduced this part?

The question is \(min(10,w)=?\) Basically the question is: what is the value of least number between \(10\) and \(w\)?

Now if \(w\geq{10}\), for instance if \(w=11\), then \(min(10,11)=10\). But if \(w<10\), for instance \(w=9\), then \(min(10,9)=9=w\).

(1) \(w = max(20, z)\) --> \(max(20, z)=20=w\). when \(z\leq{20}\), so \(w=20>10\) and \(min(10,w)=10\) or \(max(20, z)=z=w\). when \(z>{20}\), so \(w=z>10\) and again \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

(2) \(w = max(10, w)\) --> directly tells us that \(w\geq{10}\), hence \(min(10,w)=10\). Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it's clear.

From (1) ; w = max (20, z), then w is greater than or equals to 20. How we have reached at this conclusion ?
We don't know what is the value of z then how we can determine the max value of w ?
Is it because max(5, 2) = 5 as given in the Q stem ? (i.e. selecting first value from the equation)

No.

max(x, y) denote the maximum of x and y.

(1) says that \(w = max(20, z)\), so w (the maximum of 20 and z) is 20 if z<=20 or w = z if z>20. Thus, in any case, \(w\geq{20}\).
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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
(2) w = max(10, w)

Target question: What is the value of min(10, w)?

Statement 1: w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
Let's take a closer look at max(20, z)
If z < 20, then max(20, z) = 20
If z > 20, then max(20, z) = some value greater than 20
So, max(20, z) must be greater than or equal to 20
Since, w = max(20, z), we can conclude that w is greater than or equal to 20
From this, we can conclude that min(10, w) = 10, since 10 will be the lesser value
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is SUFFICIENT

Statement 2: w = max(10, w)
If w = max(10, w), then w is the larger value.
In other words, w is greater than or equal to 10
If w is greater than or equal to 10, then we can conclude that min(10, w) = 10
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is SUFFICIENT

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Could somebody explain w = max(10, w) expression? It seems recursive, in order to know w, we have to know w first which doesn't make sense
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Exactly. So this equation is definitely not sufficient for us to infer the value of w. However, we still can infer SOMETHING about w. Check out my video solution.

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Could somebody explain w = max(10, w) expression? It seems recursive, in order to know w, we have to know w first which doesn't make sense

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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
(2) w = max(10, w)

The question statement states 2 functions:
1) max(5,10) = This max function represents the maximum value between the two numbers. So, in this case the answer is 10
2) min(5,10) = This min function represents the minimum value between the two numbers. So, in this case the answer is 5.
Now, question is to find the min(10, w):

min(10, w) = 10, when w>10
min(10, w) = w, when w<10

To answer the question, we will have to know if w<10?
1) w = max(20, z)
From this statement, it's clear that w has to be 20 or greater. Why?
If z < 20: max(20,z) = 20. So, min(10, 20) = 10
if z >20: max(20,z) > 20. So, min(10, greater than 20) = 10.
Satisfied
2) w = max(10,w)
From this statement, it's clear that w has to be greater than 10. Why?
min(10, w) = 10 (as, w>10)
Satisfied.
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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
(2) w = max(10, w)


Beautiful question, man !


(1) \(w = max(20, z)\) for some integer z

here w is either 20 or z. if \(w=20\) then min(w,10) is 10. if w=z, then z has to be >20, thus assume any integer greater than 20, say 50, if \(w=z=50 \) then, \(min (10,w)=min(10,50)=10\)

sufficient.

(2) \(w = max(10, w)\)

this basically tells us \(w>10\), therefore, min (10,w) must be 10. sufficient.

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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
(2) w = max(10, w)
Solution:

Question Stem Analysis:


We need to determine the value of min(10, w). Notice that if w ≥ 10, then min(10, w) = 10. However, if w < 10, then min(10, w) = w. That is, if w < 10, we need to determine the value of w.

Statement One Alone:

Notice that max(20, z) = 20 if z < 20 and max(20, z) = z if z ≥ 20. In other words, w is at least 20. Since w ≥ 20, w ≥ 10 and hence min(10, w) = 10. Statement one alone is sufficient.

Statement Two Alone:

Notice that max(10, w) = 10 if w < 10 and max(10, w) = w if w ≥ 10. Since w = max(10, w), we see that w ≥ 10 and hence min(10, w) = 10. Statement two alone is sufficient.

Answer: D
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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.
(2) w = max(10, w)

Answer: Option D

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For any integers x and y, min(x, y) and max(x, y) denote the minimum and the maximum of x and y, respectively. For example, min (5, 2) = 2 and max(5, 2) = 5. For the integer w, what is the value of min(10, w) ?

Here , we need to find which is the min value , 10 or w

If w ≥10, then min(10, w) = 10
if w < 10, then min(10, w) = w
So let's try to find whether w ≥10 or w < 10.

(1) w = max(20, z) for some integer z.

Since w is the max(20, z), we can conclude that w can be 20 or a value greater than 20. i.e., w ≥ 20

As w ≥ 20 , min(10, w) = 10

Statement 1 alone is sufficient.

(2) w = max(10, w)

From the above statement, we can conclude that w ≥ 10
As w ≥ 10 , min(10, w) = 10
Statement 2 alone is sufficient.

Option D is the answer.

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For A: w = max(20,z)
either 20 = max --> w = 20 --> min(10,w) =10
or z = max --> w >20 --> min(10,w) = 10
Either way, in(10,w)= 10
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