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I was out of school 5/6 years before I started studying for the GMAT. I enrolled in EMPOWERgmat's course pretty early on and it really helped me smooth out all the simple math concepts that I had forgotten about. It's also great value. I highly recommend it, especially for the easy to medium question (where all the points are!)

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First off - I would like to thank everyone on GMATClub for posting their wide breadth of knowledge to those who are just beginning to learn the test. The reason I am posting this is because I read SO MANY fascinating stories about people scoring in the 700s. I read their stories and subconsciously placed myself in their shoes convincing myself I could do it as easily as them. I soon found out however, I was literally out of touch with reality.

Full disclosure - this is me speaking mostly off the top of my head. Grammar and thought structure may not be the best. Thanks for not judging : )

Like so many others, I decided to take on the GMAT so I could get into a mediocre online business school to get an MBA. I thought to myself, "that shouldn't be a problem, just need a 50th% score." Well, after three months of prepping, it is a problem lol.

Anyway, here is a little background on myself (I hope many of you silently browsing this forum can relate). I majored in Project Management/Acquisition and have been out of college for 5 years. Last college level math class was 7 years ago. I work in the field of contracts so I had hopes that I would be somewhat prepared given my skill set in analyzing cost data and drafting contracts. Well, it turns out, even the most skilled contracting professional (a stretch for me, I know lol) can still struggle on the GMAT. In the beginning I had a real taste of humble pie when I realized I had forgotten so many skills that one would learn in grade school/college. Anyway, I ordered the OG16 and started cranking away aimlessly. Eventually, I realized my biggest weakness was quantitative, scoring on average 16th% with verbal landing in the 50th-60th%. I signed up for Target Test Prep after month one and went through all the chapters and answered about 400 problems. I literally put my entire after-work social life on hold while studying for this nightmare of a test. HOURS I spent trying to learn the nuisances of this test. It wasn’t enough and never will be for me. My scores ranged from 490 (my first attempt two months ago) all the way down to a 450 (official test score). I still have a lot of work to do. I will caveat this for those wondering - I confidently believe that I spent too much time trying to learn the more advanced concepts (most of which I learned here on this forum) and not enough time mastering the simple ones. Obviously, this turned out to be counterproductive when it came time to answer seemingly easier questions and I wasn’t able to formulate the answer (which as you know doesn’t help since the test is adaptive). Reasons aside, regardless of what they are, scores speak for themselves and my excuses weigh as much as a feather. This all sounds extremely negative, I know. And you're probably thinking what is this man's point!? My point is to give you a message that you won't find on google. ESPECIALLY not on google! Since all you see when searching GMAT related articles are success stories of people getting high scores through various means boasting of three weeks of prep through (insert test prep company).

I'm here to tell you that scoring high on the GMAT is no easy undertaking. It's the real deal and shouldn’t be taken lightly if you're a regular Joe who doesn’t have a knack for taking math/grammar standardized tests. But don’t give up! I'm not. And to say I didn’t think about enrolling into program that doesn’t require the GMAT would be a lie. It hurt. I DO feel like an outsider on this forum and it sucks feeling like you don’t have the ability to get into Harvard if you wanted to. But, just remember, Rome wasn’t built in a day, and that this test is learnable. I hear over and over that the test has an inherent method (which can be taught). I'd like to think one day I'll figure it out. I equate it to golf which is my favorite thing in life (as you can tell by the username). Anyone can pick up a golf club and swing it at a ball... But the only way to hit long and straight is through countless hours of practice. So, even though I have little room to talk, because I haven’t improved my score at all, know that your score will improve with practice. The RIGHT practice. Listen to these great teachers here on GMATClub. Use them as inspiration as much as I do. But if it's a struggle and you think you're alone, know that you're not. Most of us 450ers are just silent because we don’t want to embarrass ourselves amongst these GMAT giants. So I'm here going on blast for you. I hope you heed my advice and KEEP GOING! Speak up and keep pressing forward. It will come, it has to. I know it will for me. Take care, and stick the dagger in the heart of the GMAT : )

In case you are wondering, my plan is to take the in person Veritas prep course in DC. Also, if anyone else has advice, let's hear it!

Take care,
Derrick


Derrick,

First - I'm sorry that you're struggling with the GMAT, but as you suggested, you're not alone. The GMAT is not an easy test. However, it can be conquered.

Second - I'd really like to help you reach your goal. Why don't you contact me and together we'll work on a strategic plan of improvement for you? I'll do whatever I can to help you.

Finally - just remember that sometimes results come only after we've done our best, yet keep pushing on. You can do this...

Best,

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First off - I would like to thank everyone on GMATClub for posting their wide breadth of knowledge to those who are just beginning to learn the test. The reason I am posting this is because I read SO MANY fascinating stories about people scoring in the 700s. I read their stories and subconsciously placed myself in their shoes convincing myself I could do it as easily as them. I soon found out however, I was literally out of touch with reality.

Full disclosure - this is me speaking mostly off the top of my head. Grammar and thought structure may not be the best. Thanks for not judging : )

Like so many others, I decided to take on the GMAT so I could get into a mediocre online business school to get an MBA. I thought to myself, "that shouldn't be a problem, just need a 50th% score." Well, after three months of prepping, it is a problem lol.

Anyway, here is a little background on myself (I hope many of you silently browsing this forum can relate). I majored in Project Management/Acquisition and have been out of college for 5 years. Last college level math class was 7 years ago. I work in the field of contracts so I had hopes that I would be somewhat prepared given my skill set in analyzing cost data and drafting contracts. Well, it turns out, even the most skilled contracting professional (a stretch for me, I know lol) can still struggle on the GMAT. In the beginning I had a real taste of humble pie when I realized I had forgotten so many skills that one would learn in grade school/college. Anyway, I ordered the OG16 and started cranking away aimlessly. Eventually, I realized my biggest weakness was quantitative, scoring on average 16th% with verbal landing in the 50th-60th%. I signed up for Target Test Prep after month one and went through all the chapters and answered about 400 problems. I literally put my entire after-work social life on hold while studying for this nightmare of a test. HOURS I spent trying to learn the nuisances of this test. It wasn’t enough and never will be for me. My scores ranged from 490 (my first attempt two months ago) all the way down to a 450 (official test score). I still have a lot of work to do. I will caveat this for those wondering - I confidently believe that I spent too much time trying to learn the more advanced concepts (most of which I learned here on this forum) and not enough time mastering the simple ones. Obviously, this turned out to be counterproductive when it came time to answer seemingly easier questions and I wasn’t able to formulate the answer (which as you know doesn’t help since the test is adaptive). Reasons aside, regardless of what they are, scores speak for themselves and my excuses weigh as much as a feather. This all sounds extremely negative, I know. And you're probably thinking what is this man's point!? My point is to give you a message that you won't find on google. ESPECIALLY not on google! Since all you see when searching GMAT related articles are success stories of people getting high scores through various means boasting of three weeks of prep through (insert test prep company).

I'm here to tell you that scoring high on the GMAT is no easy undertaking. It's the real deal and shouldn’t be taken lightly if you're a regular Joe who doesn’t have a knack for taking math/grammar standardized tests. But don’t give up! I'm not. And to say I didn’t think about enrolling into program that doesn’t require the GMAT would be a lie. It hurt. I DO feel like an outsider on this forum and it sucks feeling like you don’t have the ability to get into Harvard if you wanted to. But, just remember, Rome wasn’t built in a day, and that this test is learnable. I hear over and over that the test has an inherent method (which can be taught). I'd like to think one day I'll figure it out. I equate it to golf which is my favorite thing in life (as you can tell by the username). Anyone can pick up a golf club and swing it at a ball... But the only way to hit long and straight is through countless hours of practice. So, even though I have little room to talk, because I haven’t improved my score at all, know that your score will improve with practice. The RIGHT practice. Listen to these great teachers here on GMATClub. Use them as inspiration as much as I do. But if it's a struggle and you think you're alone, know that you're not. Most of us 450ers are just silent because we don’t want to embarrass ourselves amongst these GMAT giants. So I'm here going on blast for you. I hope you heed my advice and KEEP GOING! Speak up and keep pressing forward. It will come, it has to. I know it will for me. Take care, and stick the dagger in the heart of the GMAT : )

In case you are wondering, my plan is to take the in person Veritas prep course in DC. Also, if anyone else has advice, let's hear it!

Take care,
Derrick


Derrick,

First - I'm sorry that you're struggling with the GMAT, but as you suggested, you're not alone. The GMAT is not an easy test. However, it can be conquered.

Second - I'd really like to help you reach your goal. Why don't you contact me and together we'll work on a strategic plan of improvement for you? I'll do whatever I can to help you.

Finally - just remember that sometimes results come only after we've done our best, yet keep pushing on. You can do this...

Best,

Scott

Scott,

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Your company is top-notch and really helped me in my studies. I exchanged a few emails with Jeff about applications in the interim. We'll be in touch.

Regards,
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Derrick,

First off: I commend you on your perseverance. I am in a similar situation and despite all the studying have not been able to get my score up.

For some of us the GMAT just doesn't come easy. It's a struggle. It's a lot of hard work and reading success stories here, although inspirational, can also make us feel even worse.
I think that people who have a strong mathematical background like many engineers and Indians or East Asians in general do, have a really big advantage despite the language problems (at first).

One thing I keep telling myself (and you should too, although it sounds like you have already done so) a low GMAT score says absolutely NOTHING about your intelligence. Supposedly it can be learned like you said. Not exactly sure how to do that because I have been studying for a really long time and should be an expert by now like all other 700+ scorers.

I am actually in graduate school right now and just recently talked to a classmate who said she made a 680 on the GMAT. I was really blown a way when she said that because my impression was always that she was having a hard time keeping up in most of the classes while I am a straight A student and my initial GMAT score was WAY below hers.
This said, I find it a little disheartening that business schools pay SO much attention to the GMAT when evaluating someone's application. I mean I get that they use it as some kind of standardized measure to compare students on an equal level because everyone got their undergraduate and graduate degree at a different school and often in a different country. The grading systems of universities are much harder to compare than such a standardized test which is the same for everyone.
However, as the example of my classmate shows a (relatively) high GMAT score is not a guarantee for success in graduate school, neither does it mean that someone with a low score (below 600) could never succeed.
That's total crap and it really upsets me sometimes because I feel like we are being discriminated against based on one single test.

I suck at standardized tests, but this doesn't mean I am not smart enough for the program I want to get into.
I really wish those admission folks would realize that and don't put most of the emphasis on a high GMAT score.
They always say "it's only one part of the application", but the longer I have been studying and reading here and talking to people the more it seems like it is by far THE most important part.

Oh well, what can we do. There are only two options: Give up? NAH! Let's keep studying and hope for the best possible outcome. :)
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Derrick,

First off: I commend you on your perseverance. I am in a similar situation and despite all the studying have not been able to get my score up.

For some of us the GMAT just doesn't come easy. It's a struggle. It's a lot of hard work and reading success stories here, although inspirational, can also make us feel even worse.
I think that people who have a strong mathematical background like many engineers and Indians or East Asians in general do, have a really big advantage despite the language problems (at first).

One thing I keep telling myself (and you should too, although it sounds like you have already done so) a low GMAT score says absolutely NOTHING about your intelligence. Supposedly it can be learned like you said. Not exactly sure how to do that because I have been studying for a really long time and should be an expert by now like all other 700+ scorers.

I am actually in graduate school right now and just recently talked to a classmate who said she made a 680 on the GMAT. I was really blown a way when she said that because my impression was always that she was having a hard time keeping up in most of the classes while I am a straight A student and my initial GMAT score was WAY below hers.
This said, I find it a little disheartening that business schools pay SO much attention to the GMAT when evaluating someone's application. I mean I get that they use it as some kind of standardized measure to compare students on an equal level because everyone got their undergraduate and graduate degree at a different school and often in a different country. The grading systems of universities are much harder to compare than such a standardized test which is the same for everyone.
However, as the example of my classmate shows a (relatively) high GMAT score is not a guarantee for success in graduate school, neither does it mean that someone with a low score (below 600) could never succeed.
That's total crap and it really upsets me sometimes because I feel like we are being discriminated against based on one single test.

I suck at standardized tests, but this doesn't mean I am not smart enough for the program I want to get into.
I really wish those admission folks would realize that and don't put most of the emphasis on a high GMAT score.
They always say "it's only one part of the application", but the longer I have been studying and reading here and talking to people the more it seems like it is by far THE most important part.

Oh well, what can we do. There are only two options: Give up? NAH! Let's keep studying and hope for the best possible outcome. :)

Silviax -

Nice thoughtful post... Listen - if you'd like some personalized help reaching your GMAT goal, please reach out to me. I hate seeing people beat down by the GMAT. We can "sit down" and see what you've been doing and perhaps come up with a different plan of attack. All people learn differently, and sometimes what the experts do is not exactly what you should do. Together, we can figure out how to get you on the right road.

Warmest Regards,

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First off - I would like to thank everyone on GMATClub for posting their wide breadth of knowledge to those who are just beginning to learn the test. The reason I am posting this is because I read SO MANY fascinating stories about people scoring in the 700s. I read their stories and subconsciously placed myself in their shoes convincing myself I could do it as easily as them. I soon found out however, I was literally out of touch with reality.

Full disclosure - this is me speaking mostly off the top of my head. Grammar and thought structure may not be the best. Thanks for not judging : )

Like so many others, I decided to take on the GMAT so I could get into a mediocre online business school to get an MBA. I thought to myself, "that shouldn't be a problem, just need a 50th% score." Well, after three months of prepping, it is a problem lol.

Anyway, here is a little background on myself (I hope many of you silently browsing this forum can relate). I majored in Project Management/Acquisition and have been out of college for 5 years. Last college level math class was 7 years ago. I work in the field of contracts so I had hopes that I would be somewhat prepared given my skill set in analyzing cost data and drafting contracts. Well, it turns out, even the most skilled contracting professional (a stretch for me, I know lol) can still struggle on the GMAT. In the beginning I had a real taste of humble pie when I realized I had forgotten so many skills that one would learn in grade school/college. Anyway, I ordered the OG16 and started cranking away aimlessly. Eventually, I realized my biggest weakness was quantitative, scoring on average 16th% with verbal landing in the 50th-60th%. I signed up for Target Test Prep after month one and went through all the chapters and answered about 400 problems. I literally put my entire after-work social life on hold while studying for this nightmare of a test. HOURS I spent trying to learn the nuisances of this test. It wasn’t enough and never will be for me. My scores ranged from 490 (my first attempt two months ago) all the way down to a 450 (official test score). I still have a lot of work to do. I will caveat this for those wondering - I confidently believe that I spent too much time trying to learn the more advanced concepts (most of which I learned here on this forum) and not enough time mastering the simple ones. Obviously, this turned out to be counterproductive when it came time to answer seemingly easier questions and I wasn’t able to formulate the answer (which as you know doesn’t help since the test is adaptive). Reasons aside, regardless of what they are, scores speak for themselves and my excuses weigh as much as a feather. This all sounds extremely negative, I know. And you're probably thinking what is this man's point!? My point is to give you a message that you won't find on google. ESPECIALLY not on google! Since all you see when searching GMAT related articles are success stories of people getting high scores through various means boasting of three weeks of prep through (insert test prep company).

I'm here to tell you that scoring high on the GMAT is no easy undertaking. It's the real deal and shouldn’t be taken lightly if you're a regular Joe who doesn’t have a knack for taking math/grammar standardized tests. But don’t give up! I'm not. And to say I didn’t think about enrolling into program that doesn’t require the GMAT would be a lie. It hurt. I DO feel like an outsider on this forum and it sucks feeling like you don’t have the ability to get into Harvard if you wanted to. But, just remember, Rome wasn’t built in a day, and that this test is learnable. I hear over and over that the test has an inherent method (which can be taught). I'd like to think one day I'll figure it out. I equate it to golf which is my favorite thing in life (as you can tell by the username). Anyone can pick up a golf club and swing it at a ball... But the only way to hit long and straight is through countless hours of practice. So, even though I have little room to talk, because I haven’t improved my score at all, know that your score will improve with practice. The RIGHT practice. Listen to these great teachers here on GMATClub. Use them as inspiration as much as I do. But if it's a struggle and you think you're alone, know that you're not. Most of us 450ers are just silent because we don’t want to embarrass ourselves amongst these GMAT giants. So I'm here going on blast for you. I hope you heed my advice and KEEP GOING! Speak up and keep pressing forward. It will come, it has to. I know it will for me. Take care, and stick the dagger in the heart of the GMAT : )

In case you are wondering, my plan is to take the in person Veritas prep course in DC. Also, if anyone else has advice, let's hear it!

Take care,
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First, I want to say that you are way ahead of me after I my first GMAT attempt, in the sense of where your head is and the resilience you're showing. Second, I think it's great to use this forum to vent from time to time, you do need to get it off your chest.

I don't want to just ramble about my entire process as far as GMAT goes, but I just happened to catch your post and it reminded me quite a bit of my history. I was 490>>530>>700. (The 530 hurt the most, emotionally) If you have any questions for me or want to pick my brain I don't mind, but it will always come down to what works for you specifically.

I think your positive attitude will help greatly in tackling the exam, so really try to keep your head up as you at least sound like you are in your post.

Hi Atl2688,

what did you do to increase so much your score?
how many months/days (number of hours per week) did you spend?

I took the gmat twice and got 490 and 500 so I am close to your past situation.

Thanks!
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