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What is the value of y ?

1) \(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3} = y-3\)

2) \(x=2\)
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What is the value of y ?

1) \(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3} = y-3\)

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What is the value of y ?

(1) \(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3} = y-3\);

Factor our 2y from the numerator and 3 from the denominator: \(\frac{2y(2x+1)}{3(2x+1)} = y-3\);

Reduce by 2x+1: \(\frac{2y}{3} = y-3\);

Cross-multiply: \(2y = 3y - 9\);

Solve to get y =9.

Sufficient.

(2) \(x=2\). Nothing about y. Not sufficient.

Answer: A.
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For reducing by 2x+1, shouldnt we be sure that x is not equal to -1/2.


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Bunuel,

For reducing by 2x+1, shouldnt we be sure that x is not equal to -1/2.


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If 2x + 1 were 0, then the whole faction (\(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3}\)) would be undefined and could not equal to y - 3.
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If 2x + 1 were 0, then the whole faction (\(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3}\)) would be undefined and could not equal to y - 3.


@Bunuel,

So if a variable is present in the denominator, we can be sure that it’s not equal to zero. But if a variable is in the numerator in the LHS or RHS in cross multiplication, we have to ensure that it’s not equal to zero.

I know this all is very basic but please clarify.


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Bunuel,

For reducing by 2x+1, shouldnt we be sure that x is not equal to -1/2.


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Bunuel,

If 2x + 1 were 0, then the whole faction (\(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3}\)) would be undefined and could not equal to y - 3.


So if a variable is present in the denominator, we can be sure that it’s not equal to zero. But if a variable is in the numerator in the LHS or RHS in cross multiplication, we have to ensure that it’s not equal to zero.

I know this all is very basic but please clarify.


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If it's given that xy/y = 1, we can says that y ≠ 0, and thus can reduce to get x = 1.

If the question asks: does xy/y = 1? This can be translated as does x = 1 AND y ≠ 0. For example:

Does xy/y = 1 ?

Here we cannot simply reduce and translate this as "does x = 1?"

Say (1) says: x = 1. Here this would not be sufficient because if y =0, the xy/y would be undefined, and not equal to 1.

Hope it's clear.
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[quote="kunal1608"]Bunuel,

For reducing by 2x+1, shouldnt we be sure that x is not equal to -1/2.


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Bunuel,

If 2x + 1 were 0, then the whole faction (\(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3}\)) would be undefined and could not equal to y - 3.


So if a variable is present in the denominator, we can be sure that it’s not equal to zero. But if a variable is in the numerator in the LHS or RHS in cross multiplication, we have to ensure that it’s not equal to zero.

I know this all is very basic but please clarify.


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If it's given that xy/y = 1, we can says that y ≠ 0, and thus can reduce to get x = 1.

If the question asks: does xy/y = 1? This can be translated as does x = 1 AND y ≠ 0. For example:

Does xy/y = 1 ?

Here we cannot simply reduce and translate this as "does x = 1?"

Say (1) says: x = 1. Here this would not be sufficient because if y =0, the xy/y would be undefined, and not equal to 1.

Hope it's clear.[/quote]

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What is the value of y ?

(1) \(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3} = y-3\);

Factor our 2y from the numerator and 3 from the denominator: \(\frac{2y(2x+1)}{3(2x+1)} = y-3\);

Reduce by 2x+1: \(\frac{2y}{3} = y-3\);

Cross-multiply: \(2y = 3y - 9\);

Solve to get y =9.

Sufficient.

(2) \(x=2\). Nothing about y. Not sufficient.

Answer: A.



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I ddi not notice the common factor or I was afraid to have zero. So I proceeded as follows:

\(4xy+2y = (6x+3) (y-3)\)

\((y-1) (2x+1) =0\)

\(y =0 or x =-1/2\)

Should I check my solution in original statement to prove if x = -1/2 would make denominator undefined ??

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What is the value of y ?

(1) \(\frac{4xy+2y}{6x+3} = y-3\);

Factor our 2y from the numerator and 3 from the denominator: \(\frac{2y(2x+1)}{3(2x+1)} = y-3\);

Reduce by 2x+1: \(\frac{2y}{3} = y-3\);

Cross-multiply: \(2y = 3y - 9\);

Solve to get y =9.

Sufficient.

(2) \(x=2\). Nothing about y. Not sufficient.

Answer: A.



Bunuel
I ddi not notice the common factor or I was afraid to have zero. So I proceeded as follows:

\(4xy+2y = (6x+3) (y-3)\)

\((y-1) (2x+1) =0\)

\(y =0 or x =-1/2\)

Should I check my solution in original statement to prove if x = -1/2 would make denominator undefined ??

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