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Updated on: 10 Jul 2021, 10:13
Originally posted by Thelegend2631 on 10 Jul 2021, 04:00.
Last edited by Thelegend2631 on 10 Jul 2021, 10:13, edited 3 times in total.
Last edited by Thelegend2631 on 10 Jul 2021, 10:13, edited 3 times in total.
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When do i know I'm ready for GMAT?
Disclaimer : I'm a man with a plan ( Don't know if i works)
So my plan is...
I'm done reading theory aka basics ( from Manhattan, GMATninja videos , Forum discussions , Veritas Blog, etc )
I've done my best to avoid all Gmat prep Questions ( so as to not encounter them in my mocks and end up having higher expectations)
I've completed OG and tons of prep company Questions ( not all- i used Kudos filter and finished those with decent number of kudos)
After finishing all these topics i started with verbal GC mocks and managed to score 36,39,38
I thought it was decent.( But i still doubt that my score was inflated because of some answers that i already knew)
I didn't stress much on quant and was checking timing. Q50 was not much of a fuss but i could see how my score dipped ( Q45 - Q48 sometimes ) when i was making mistakes at 600-700 level Questions,
Nevertheless I'm confident of atleast Q50 any given day on Gc Mocks.
Once i was done with GC mocks i got Manhattan and Veritas Prep Mocks.
I was devasted to see that i managed to score v35,v34 ( I managed an impressive Q51 though on both mocks )
My prep involved choosing a separate topic such as Evaluate type CR or Sciene - RC and moved to next topic only after I was comfortable.
But after all these i suddenly realised i was not doing as well as i did before. May be i was excelling in one topic since i was focussing on it completely and lost it when there was a mix of this and that. So now..
How do i proceed.
Would it be wise to just keep on practicing with mocks and see timing and accuracy build up automatically and not be worried about score ?
Or just rework on timing and accuracy topic wise using Quiz mode or something like that and then jump to mocks.
Am i pushing myself little too much here?
( Biggest issue is I'm done with all decent Questions. Redoing them would be repetitive. Also i don't want to solve those Non-Gmatlike Questions with 19% correct answers. )
I've 9 mocks left between Veritas and Manhattan and yet to start official mocks.
I thought I'll go with official mocks once I'm comfortable with timing and accuracy.
Also I'm definitely aiming for Q51.
Any advice on content that would give me an edge for Q51. Signature collection?
My share of time for verbal to Quant is generally 5:1.
I'm hoping all these mocks will brush up required topics and those dormant quant skills. Although I tend to glitch for those inequality D.S. or sets Questions. so I'm thinking to allot time for such topics whilst I give these mocks.
So any advice on strategy /tips / better plans would be great.
My target score is Q51v40. Which would ideally be ~ \(750\)
Posted from my mobile device
All things said.
When do i know that I'm at V40 level and ready for Official GMAT !
Does it have to be only after averaging a V40 in those Non official Mocks
How do i proceed from now on.
Lots of questions, Chaos.
GMATNinja VeritasKarishma mikemcgarry bb IanStewart
Disclaimer : I'm a man with a plan ( Don't know if i works)
So my plan is...
I'm done reading theory aka basics ( from Manhattan, GMATninja videos , Forum discussions , Veritas Blog, etc )
I've done my best to avoid all Gmat prep Questions ( so as to not encounter them in my mocks and end up having higher expectations)
I've completed OG and tons of prep company Questions ( not all- i used Kudos filter and finished those with decent number of kudos)
After finishing all these topics i started with verbal GC mocks and managed to score 36,39,38
I thought it was decent.( But i still doubt that my score was inflated because of some answers that i already knew)
I didn't stress much on quant and was checking timing. Q50 was not much of a fuss but i could see how my score dipped ( Q45 - Q48 sometimes ) when i was making mistakes at 600-700 level Questions,
Nevertheless I'm confident of atleast Q50 any given day on Gc Mocks.
Once i was done with GC mocks i got Manhattan and Veritas Prep Mocks.
I was devasted to see that i managed to score v35,v34 ( I managed an impressive Q51 though on both mocks )
My prep involved choosing a separate topic such as Evaluate type CR or Sciene - RC and moved to next topic only after I was comfortable.
But after all these i suddenly realised i was not doing as well as i did before. May be i was excelling in one topic since i was focussing on it completely and lost it when there was a mix of this and that. So now..
How do i proceed.
Would it be wise to just keep on practicing with mocks and see timing and accuracy build up automatically and not be worried about score ?
Or just rework on timing and accuracy topic wise using Quiz mode or something like that and then jump to mocks.
Am i pushing myself little too much here?
( Biggest issue is I'm done with all decent Questions. Redoing them would be repetitive. Also i don't want to solve those Non-Gmatlike Questions with 19% correct answers. )
I've 9 mocks left between Veritas and Manhattan and yet to start official mocks.
I thought I'll go with official mocks once I'm comfortable with timing and accuracy.
Also I'm definitely aiming for Q51.
Any advice on content that would give me an edge for Q51. Signature collection?
My share of time for verbal to Quant is generally 5:1.
I'm hoping all these mocks will brush up required topics and those dormant quant skills. Although I tend to glitch for those inequality D.S. or sets Questions. so I'm thinking to allot time for such topics whilst I give these mocks.
So any advice on strategy /tips / better plans would be great.
My target score is Q51v40. Which would ideally be ~ \(750\)
Posted from my mobile device
All things said.
When do i know that I'm at V40 level and ready for Official GMAT !
Does it have to be only after averaging a V40 in those Non official Mocks
How do i proceed from now on.
Lots of questions, Chaos.
GMATNinja VeritasKarishma mikemcgarry bb IanStewart
10 Jul 2021, 04:44
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hD13
Hi hD13,
The right time to schedule your official GMAT is when you consistently get your desired score in the mocks. In your case, if you are targeting for a V40, then book your test only when you score V40 consistently in at least two mocks.
Havin said that, I do not suggest you to keep focusing on practicing more and more questions or giving more mocks. The right way to go about it is to identify the exact reason behind your low score and working on the weak areas. For instance, there might be two reasons for scoring low on GMAT.
- Having conceptual gaps - In this case, you need to identify the topics in which you are having conceptual gaps and revisit those concepts.
- Struggling with the application of concepts - In this case, you might have a fair understanding of the concepts, but you might be struggling with the right methodology to solve questions. To overcome this, you need to spend more time on analyzing solutions of the questions you have solved previously. By analyzing, I mean go through each step of the solution, identify the exact step at which you made the mistake, compare your approach with the right one and then learn the right methodology.
In your case, I feel that you are struggling with the application of concepts. I can help you in a much better way if you can provide me a few more details such as:
- your weak areas in Verbal
- your current study strategy (Are you focusing more on practicing questions?)
- the resources you are using
- number of hours you can study in a day
This information will help me understand your concerns better and eventually help me to guide you in a better way. You can write back to me here or a better way is to get in touch over a call and discuss the same. You can use the link below to schedule a call with me.
10 Jul 2021, 07:14
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First, it sounds like you're taking too many tests. If you have any particular weak area, you won't address that easily by taking tests; instead you'd want to study the relevant concepts and then practice them with a focused batch of practice questions. The main thing you can improve by taking tests is pacing strategy, but you won't need too many tests to perfect that, and you can't easily use company tests for realistic pacing practice, because company questions often are not realistically time-consuming. I've worked with a lot of people who think they have pacing problems in Quant because they run out of time on company tests, but who then discover their pacing problems disappear on the real test -- hard GMAT Quant questions can usually be solved very quickly once you see what to do. That's not always true of hard questions from other sources.
It's also hard to know what company test scores mean. If you're getting several Q51s on company tests, that's certainly a very good sign. It's harder to know exactly what the Verbal scores mean, because company Verbal questions tend to be very different from real GMAT Verbal questions. From your company scores, I wouldn't be able to make a very good guess at your current Verbal level. Your first official test will give you much better information. There's a chance you're at a V40 level now, but it's more likely you'll need to make some improvement, so if you want to wait until you're at that level to start taking official diagnostic tests, then I'd suggest identifying which Verbal areas you need to improve on, and then focusing on those, using official questions. If you've done a lot of official questions already, go back to those you got wrong, and analyze them in detail (not only the logic behind the right answer, but the reason you were tempted by the wrong answer, and what made that wrong answer wrong).
But I think you'll probably want to take one official test soon, just to see where you stand. You might discover your Quant is a Q51 right now, but that your Verbal is below V40, and then you'd know you should focus mostly on Verbal. Or you might discover you're at a V41 but only a Q49, and then you might instead study in a more balanced way (if you want to raise that score at all - a Q49/V41 is outstanding, so you could consider just taking the real test at that point). Analyzing that one test will let you make a better study plan, and will give you a clearer indication of how close or far you are from your goal.
And about the Q51: there is a huge difference between a Q50 and a Q51 score. You can get a Q50 with a lot of wrong answers to very hard questions. But to get a Q51 you need to be almost perfect. That means two things (at least): you need to eliminate every careless error, and since you've gotten Q51s on other tests, you're probably in good shape there. But you also need to see, under test conditions, how to solve pretty much every question. And every time I've taken a real GMAT or a newly-released GMAT diagnostic test, I've seen several questions that are completely different from anything I've solved before. These questions don't require any special knowledge -- they just test fundamental concepts like ratios or divisibility or angles -- but in a way I'd never thought about before seeing the questions on the test. GMAT question designers are endlessly inventive. So when you have a really strong foundation, and can answer all of the standard question types, the most important thing to focus on is conceptual flexibility. You'll want to be sure you understand each GMAT math topic well enough that you can adapt to the new situations you'll see on test day. The best way to prepare for that is by studying realistic challenging questions that are as inventive and as elegant as real GMAT questions. I haven't found many good sources of questions like that on the GMAT market -- too many 'hard' prep company questions are just complicated, rather than tricky, and aren't like real GMAT questions. Bunuel is definitely one of the best question designers around, and many of his hard questions are inventive and are great conceptual practice. Brent Hanneson has written and posted here some of my favourite GMAT-like high-level Q questions, though I don't know how many questions he's designed. I've written four long problem sets specifically meant to help high-level test takers extend their conceptual flexibility, so feel free to get in touch if you might be interested in buying any of those. When you've taken an official diagnostic, feel free to tag me again and I'll be happy to offer further input. It sounds like you're in great shape with Quant, and probably need to make a bit of progress in Verbal to reach your goal, but you probably aren't far away. Good luck!
It's also hard to know what company test scores mean. If you're getting several Q51s on company tests, that's certainly a very good sign. It's harder to know exactly what the Verbal scores mean, because company Verbal questions tend to be very different from real GMAT Verbal questions. From your company scores, I wouldn't be able to make a very good guess at your current Verbal level. Your first official test will give you much better information. There's a chance you're at a V40 level now, but it's more likely you'll need to make some improvement, so if you want to wait until you're at that level to start taking official diagnostic tests, then I'd suggest identifying which Verbal areas you need to improve on, and then focusing on those, using official questions. If you've done a lot of official questions already, go back to those you got wrong, and analyze them in detail (not only the logic behind the right answer, but the reason you were tempted by the wrong answer, and what made that wrong answer wrong).
But I think you'll probably want to take one official test soon, just to see where you stand. You might discover your Quant is a Q51 right now, but that your Verbal is below V40, and then you'd know you should focus mostly on Verbal. Or you might discover you're at a V41 but only a Q49, and then you might instead study in a more balanced way (if you want to raise that score at all - a Q49/V41 is outstanding, so you could consider just taking the real test at that point). Analyzing that one test will let you make a better study plan, and will give you a clearer indication of how close or far you are from your goal.
And about the Q51: there is a huge difference between a Q50 and a Q51 score. You can get a Q50 with a lot of wrong answers to very hard questions. But to get a Q51 you need to be almost perfect. That means two things (at least): you need to eliminate every careless error, and since you've gotten Q51s on other tests, you're probably in good shape there. But you also need to see, under test conditions, how to solve pretty much every question. And every time I've taken a real GMAT or a newly-released GMAT diagnostic test, I've seen several questions that are completely different from anything I've solved before. These questions don't require any special knowledge -- they just test fundamental concepts like ratios or divisibility or angles -- but in a way I'd never thought about before seeing the questions on the test. GMAT question designers are endlessly inventive. So when you have a really strong foundation, and can answer all of the standard question types, the most important thing to focus on is conceptual flexibility. You'll want to be sure you understand each GMAT math topic well enough that you can adapt to the new situations you'll see on test day. The best way to prepare for that is by studying realistic challenging questions that are as inventive and as elegant as real GMAT questions. I haven't found many good sources of questions like that on the GMAT market -- too many 'hard' prep company questions are just complicated, rather than tricky, and aren't like real GMAT questions. Bunuel is definitely one of the best question designers around, and many of his hard questions are inventive and are great conceptual practice. Brent Hanneson has written and posted here some of my favourite GMAT-like high-level Q questions, though I don't know how many questions he's designed. I've written four long problem sets specifically meant to help high-level test takers extend their conceptual flexibility, so feel free to get in touch if you might be interested in buying any of those. When you've taken an official diagnostic, feel free to tag me again and I'll be happy to offer further input. It sounds like you're in great shape with Quant, and probably need to make a bit of progress in Verbal to reach your goal, but you probably aren't far away. Good luck!
