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When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. Given that X + Y < 79. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
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When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
2) When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77



Second is not sufficient. X*Y could be 77 or 156 for example.
A=86 X=7
B=90 Y=11

then A*B=7740=79*97+77, and X*Y=77

A=83 X=4
B=118 Y=39

then A*B=9794=79*123+77, but X*Y=156.

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A = 79n+X
B = 79m+Y

1. A+B = 79(n+M) +X+Y. After division by 79 we have X+Y = 18.
2. A*B = (79n+X)*(79m+Y). Only X*Y is not divided by 79. So X*Y = 77

Answer is B
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Great question!

Perfect for people who are having trouble with remainder formulas.
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Harley1980 wrote:
When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
2) When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77


Hi,

I used simpler numbers (11, 19, 4, 8 and divisor as 3) to work up examples and arrived at the correct answer.

Could you please help me with the properties :oops:

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Harley1980 wrote:
When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
2) When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77


Hi,

I used simpler numbers (11, 19, 4, 8 and divisor as 3) to work up examples and arrived at the correct answer.

Could you please help me with the properties :oops:

Thanks,
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Hello aimtoteach.

When we have task about division different numbers on the same divisor we can sum or multiple the equations. For example
"When 7 divided by 5 , remainder is 2 and when 11 divided by 5 , remainder is 1" We can write this information in such way:
\(7=5∗X+2\)
\(11=5∗Y+1\)

if we sum this equations we received such result
\(7+11=5∗Z+(2+1)\) so \(18 / 5\) give us remainder 3

of if we multiple this equations we received:
\(7∗11=5∗R+2\) so \(77 / 5\) give us remainder 2

In our task we can write this phrase "When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y" in such way:
\(A=79s+X\)
\(B=79r+Y\)

and when we sum this equations we received
\(A+B=79z+(X+Y)\)
and from first statement we know that "When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18"
So we can make infer that \(X+Y=18\). But from this inforamation we can't make infer about what X*Y equal because X+Y = 18 can give us more than one combinations: 1+17; 2+16 etc.
Insufficient


and when we multiple this equations we received
\(A∗B=79z+(X∗Y)\)
and from second statement we know that "When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77"

So we can make infer that X∗Y=77 and we find answer that we need
Sufficient.


Update (thanks to smyarga for noticing mistake in answer):
This is insufficient statement. Because when we add or multiply such equations, we should take into account that X+Y or X*Y can give bigger result than divisor. And in such cases we should subtract divisor from this result and only after this it will give us correct remainder.
In our task there is possible such variant:
\(A=83\) and \(X=4\); when \(83\) divided by \(79\) there is remainder \(4\)
\(B=118\) and \(Y=39\); when \(118\) diveded by \(79\) there is remainder \(39\)

and when we multiple \(A\) and \(B\) we received \(9794\) and divided by \(79\) we will have remainder \(77\) but \(X*Y=156\) and this product not equal to remainder
So information in second statement is not sufficient and we need first statement too.

And answer is C.
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Hi Harley 1980,

the answer should be B. Does anyone agree with answer B.


Harley1980 wrote:
When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
2) When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77

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Hi Harley 1980,

the answer should be B. Does anyone agree with answer B.


Harley1980 wrote:
When integer A is divided by 79, remainder is X and when integer B is divided by 79, remainder is Y. What is X * Y?

1) When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18
2) When A * B is divided by 79, remainder is 77


Hello shriramvelamuri

Statement 2 is insufficient because there is possible at least two variants:
\(A=86\) and \(X=7\); when \(86\) divided by \(79\) there is remainder \(7\)
\(B=90\) and \(Y=11\); when \(90\) divided by \(79\) there is remainder \(11\)
and when we multiple \(A\) and \(B\) we received \(7740\) and divided by \(79\) we will have remainder \(77\) and \(X*Y = 77\)

But we can have another scenario:
\(A=83\) and \(X=4\); when \(83\) divided by \(79\) there is remainder \(4\)
\(B=118\) and \(Y=39\); when \(118\) diveded by \(79\) there is remainder \(39\)

and when we multiple \(A\) and \(B\) we received \(9794\) and divided by \(79\) we will have remainder \(77\) but \(X*Y=156\) and this product not equal to remainder
So information in second statement is not sufficient and we need first statement too.

And answer is C.

Sorry for the mess with answers, that's my fault, because when I made this task I thought that correct answer is B.
Thanks to smyarga she is clarify situation and give correct answer and explanation to this task.
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Heey Harley,

I think that the first statement is also incorrect, if we consider A= 149 (A=(1x79) + 70) and B = 106 (1x79 + 27); in this case (and in an infinity of other similar cases) A+B = 255 = (3x79) + 18, BUT X+Y = 97 and not 18 !! So it makes no sense to infer that X+Y = 18, thus the correct answer for this question is E.
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Heey Harley,

I think that the first statement is also incorrect, if we consider A= 149 (A=(1x79) + 70) and B = 106 (1x79 + 27); in this case (and in an infinity of other similar cases) A+B = 255 = (3x79) + 18, BUT X+Y = 97 and not 18 !! So it makes no sense to infer that X+Y = 18, thus the correct answer for this question is E.


Hello issamL

We do not infer that X + Y = 18. This is fact from the first statement. So you just take wrong parameteres that contradict to first statement.
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Thank you harley,

but let me prove why it's not a fact.

A= 79 k + X;
B= 79 z + Y;
A + B = 79(k+z) + (X+Y)
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Statement 1 says " When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18" : A+B = 79m + 18;

by stating X+Y = 18, we assume that (k+z) = m and that's not always true, so it's not a fact.
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Thank you harley,

but let me prove why it's not a fact.

A= 79 k + X;
B= 79 z + Y;
A + B = 79(k+z) + (X+Y)
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Statement 1 says " When A + B is divided by 79, remainder is 18" : A+B = 79m + 18;

by stating X+Y = 18, we assume that (k+z) = m and that's not always true, so it's not a fact.


Sorry issamL

I answer in hurry and miss you point.

Yes we can choose such numbers that will give result 18 and another numbers that will give us result 79 + 18.
And because of this 1 statement is insufficient.

But why you decide that both statement are too insufficient and answer is E?
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Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.
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issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


Hello issamL
Looks like you are right. Thank you.
Weird that nobody pay attention on this early.
I changed the task (add part "Given that X + Y < 79"), could you please try this new variant?
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issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


The answer is indeed C.
Since X and Y are remainders when divided by 79, they must each be less than 79. X<79 and Y<79, therefore X+Y<158 The only values that X+Y can take in this problem is 18 or 97. For all the integer values X from X=0 to X=18 and Y from Y=0 to Y=18 that satisfy the sum equal to 18, only X=7 and Y=11 or X=11 and Y=7 satisfy X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 There is no such solution for sum equal 97 that satisfies X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 without violating X<79 and Y<79. I wrote a simple program to find that out.
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issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


The answer is indeed C.
Since X and Y are remainders when divided by 79, they must each be less than 79. X<79 and Y<79, therefore X+Y<158 The only values that X+Y can take in this problem is 18 or 97. For all the integer values X from X=0 to X=18 and Y from Y=0 to Y=18 that satisfy the sum equal to 18, only X=7 and Y=11 or X=11 and Y=7 satisfy X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 There is no such solution for sum equal 97 that satisfies X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 without violating X<79 and Y<79. I wrote a simple program to find that out.


Hello bhaskar438
But what about case when X = 70 and Y = 27?
X + Y = 97 = 79 + 18
X * Y = 1890 = 79 * 23 + 73
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Harley1980 wrote:
issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


Hello issamL
Looks like you are right. Thank you.
Weird that nobody pay attention on this early.
I changed the task (add part "Given that X + Y < 79"), could you please try this new variant?


Hey Harley,

You are welcome.. It's definitely better with the new constraint X+Y < 79 as the only 2 pairs of X & Y that we can have are (7,11) and (11,7), therefore the only possible value of X*Y is 77. so answer (C).
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bhaskar438 wrote:
issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


The answer is indeed C.
Since X and Y are remainders when divided by 79, they must each be less than 79. X<79 and Y<79, therefore X+Y<158 The only values that X+Y can take in this problem is 18 or 97. For all the integer values X from X=0 to X=18 and Y from Y=0 to Y=18 that satisfy the sum equal to 18, only X=7 and Y=11 or X=11 and Y=7 satisfy X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 There is no such solution for sum equal 97 that satisfies X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 without violating X<79 and Y<79. I wrote a simple program to find that out.


But what about case when X = 70 and Y = 27?
X + Y = 97 = 79 + 18
X * Y = 1890 = 79 * 23 + 73

Your example is not valid. The remainder is supposed to be 77, not 73. The answer is C regardless of your modification. I will post the program as soon as I can. I need to have 5 posts before I can post a hyperlink.
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issamL wrote:
Harley1980 wrote:
issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.



Looks like you are right. Thank you.
Weird that nobody pay attention on this early.
I changed the task (add part "Given that X + Y < 79"), could you please try this new variant?


Hey Harley,

You are welcome.. It's definitely better with the new constraint X+Y < 79 as the only 2 pairs of X & Y that we can have are (7,11) and (11,7), therefore the only possible value of X*Y is 77. so answer (C).


I agree that the new constraint, X+Y<79, makes the problem better. I think before the new constraint, the problem was out of GMAT scope because it would be too time consuming to figure out whether there exists two numbers that add up to 97 whose product is a number that is 77 more than a multiple of 79. I had to write my own simple program to find out that there is no such numbers.
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bhaskar438 wrote:
issamL wrote:
Because there are more variables than equations;

X+Y = 79k + 18;
X*Y= 79z + 77

with both k and z belonging to {0,1,........N}.


The answer is indeed C.
Since X and Y are remainders when divided by 79, they must each be less than 79. X<79 and Y<79, therefore X+Y<158 The only values that X+Y can take in this problem is 18 or 97. For all the integer values X from X=0 to X=18 and Y from Y=0 to Y=18 that satisfy the sum equal to 18, only X=7 and Y=11 or X=11 and Y=7 satisfy X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 There is no such solution for sum equal 97 that satisfies X+Y = 79k + 18 and X*Y= 79z + 77 without violating X<79 and Y<79. I wrote a simple program to find that out.


Here is the program: http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user40_woK7tiG7iVeMdz0.py
The sum should be changed to 18 or 97.
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