https://gmatclub.com/forum/download/file.php?id=12518 This post has been identified as one of the best and featured in the Best GMAT Stories - Period collection -bb I just finished taking the exam for the 2nd time. Proud to report that I scored a 750 (49Q, 44V). It was not an easy journey. On my first diagnostic, which was taken after my first month of study, I had scored a 550 using the GMATPrep software. I thought that I would at least score in the 600s, and thinking this was surely a mistake, I retook it again for a similar score. I knew I was in no shape for the exam and studied hard for a good 6 months before taking the exam last month to get a 690 (47Q, 38V). I was disappointed since I was aiming for 700+ (but probably in the low 700s). I knew that this should be a realistic goal because in practice tests my verbal score would usually be around 41, whereas on the actual exam I got a 38. My goal for the 2nd retake was to just hit 700, since I was sooo close the first time. I haven't been that great at taking standardized exams in the past. When doing practice tests, as well as on the actual exam, I have never finished the exam before time ran out. I am a slow test taker and require a lot of time on exams, or I don't finish. The GMAT is one of those tests that I really had to rush on and still not be able to complete on time. I had to randomly guess on 2 or 3 questions at the end of the exam. Therefore when I saw my score, I was pleasantly surprised. Despite my shortcomings, I will say that I am tenacious and hard working. I studied 5 hours a day after work for 6 months straight. After getting a 690 the first time, I doubled my efforts for the month before the retaking. When I took my 2 week (and expensive) vacation, I spent at least 3/4 the time in a coffee shop studying. Given that I was in a resort town the locals, hotel staff, everyone thought I was insane to waste my hard earned money spending the days studying in the hotel restaurant instead of tanning on the beach. I am a firm believer in hard work, and I know that if I can get a decent score, then almost anyone can do it. I am not a genius or anything by any stretch of the imagination, but I have always squeaked by the finish line with work ethic. So for those of you who are not hitting your desired scores, or feel like giving up, just keep at it, and you WILL get a score you are satisfied with. Since some of you asked, I wanted to share my feedback with you on the exam. Books used: - Manhattan GMAT Series - ALL you need to get a grasp of the fundamentals. As many have mentioned, the Number Properties and Sentence Correction books are especially valuable. - Official Guide 12 - Very valuable, since these are the actual past GMAT questions. Once you have the foundation from the Manhattan GMAT material, the best way to prepare is to do problems that are similar to the ones written by the test writers. - Official Guide 11 - The more actual GMAT questions the better! If you can get a copy of Official Guide 11 (it can be purchased cheap or found at the library), it will have some additional questions that aren't inOG12. The Manhattan GMAT website shows the difference between the two: https://www.manhattangmat.com/official-guide-12.cfm . One can use the site to determine where the overlap occurs and work on the questions that aren't repeats for OG12. - Official Guide for GMAT Quantitative Review - Again, I advocate doing as many official questions as you can get your hands on. - Official Guide for GMAT Verbal Review - Again, I advocate doing as many official questions as you can get your hands on. - Princeton Review Crack the GMAT - Worthless. Do not buy. Practice tests used - GMATPrep - This is an extremely valuable resource that can be obtained for free. There are 2 exams, but since the exam generates random questions, I was able to take maybe 5-10 tests and still see new questions each time. The software is also computer adaptive so should give you the most reliable indicator of where you stand. Anyway, enough has been said about the GMATPrep software by other forum members, so I won't talk about it in depth. I scored a 550 the first time I took it, after 1 month of study. Subsequently I scored 590, 640, and 720. Note that each additional time you take the test your score will probably be inflated because you are bound to see some repeat questions from the last couple times you took the tests. However, as I mentioned, you will still see plenty of new questions as well, so it is good to keep taking the GMATPrep in order to exhaust the questions. - Manhattan GMAT - If you buy any of the MGMAT book, you get 7 practice tests for free. These are good, but much harder than the actual exam. I could honestly never even finish half the quant section before time ran out. Eventually I stopped practicing with the timer on. Instead I took the tests at a leisurely pace just to see if I knew my fundamentals. Note that some of the questions are very tough and test concepts that are not frequently tested on the real exam (see my section below on tough or out of the ordinary questions). Therefore, I wouldn't sweat these exams too much, but just use them as an additional resource for practice. I took the 7 exams throughout my study (with the timer off) and scored the following: 610, 690, 670, 710, 690, 700, and 720. For fundamentals all you need is Manhattan GMAT As many have mentioned, these books are excellent for getting the proper foundation you need to succeed. In fact, these are the ONLY materials you need to get that foundation, and I wouldn't bother with anything else unless you really don't understand a concept the way MGMAT has explained it and you need supplemental material. I read each of the books from cover to cover, taking notes along the way. I reread some of the books multiple times if necessary, especially the really good ones, such as Sentence Correction and Number Properties. I would also do the questions at the end of each chapter, as this solidifies and confirms your understanding of the fundamentals. If short on time, obviously the most important material to know is the stuff in the first half of the books (the stuff prior to the advance section). If you have the time, I would also review the advance material, though this is far less important. In fact, I only paid a minimal amount of attention to the advance sections in the MGMAT books. Some of the advanced sections are more useful than others. For example, an advanced section that I thought was not worth the time was the advanced section of the Sentence Correction book. You can do fine in SC without having touched that section, which just fills your head with a lot of other nonsense that is more rarely tested. Ultimately, I recommend going through the advanced sections at least once, and using your judgment as to the usefulness of the material. If you think it is useful, you can go back and spend more time studying it. If not, move on. Focus on Official Questions I would not bother as much with questions outside of the official questions, such as those from other websites, or designed by test makers/individuals outside of GMAC. The reason is twofold: First, within the Official questions, there should be enough material to keep you busy and develop a good foundation for your test. 2nd, there are often minor, although important, differences between official questions those designed by non-official sources. I'm not saying to not do any questions at all outside of official questions... I'm just saying that it is unnecessary to achieve a 700+ score, and the subtle differences may throw you off from what an actual question should look like. I personally found this especially to be true of the sentence correction questions on various websites. Do as many official problems as you can get your hands on. The same question types tested in the official questions are frequently tested on the actual exam; the test writers are lazy or lack the desire to make significant changes to the problems. Don't focus on extremely tough or out of the ordinary questions Yes, it is good to gain an understanding of every question type if you have the time and capability to do so. However, I found it unnecessary if your goal is to simply achieve a score of 700+ (as opposed to 770). Like some have mentioned, it is best to focus on the MAJOR fundamentals and questions where you are required to apply these fundamentals. The most important questions to know are the ones where you see the concepts repeatedly in many other OFFICIAL questions. Example would be just know how to do the most extreme basic of combination or permutation questions, not all the various more complicated variations. Any question that you come across that is testing some obscure concept that you never seen tested in any other question is probably not worth your time getting more than a basic understanding of. Again, the bare fundamentals, the concepts that are repeatedly being tested, and the most common methods that they like to use to trick test takers, are the most important areas to focus on. Unique question types or one-off tricks are a waste of your time and it will be a rare chance if you actually get tested on it during the real test. I guess this is my only gripe with the MGMAT books. Sometimes they cover certain areas in depth even though the chances of occurrence on the actual exam are slim. I guess they just want to have all their bases covered in case some guy wants to score a 780. One offender that I can think of right off the top of my head is the MGMAT chapter on combinations. Waaay too much detail and 75% of it is too complex for the real GMAT. I could explain everything about combinations/permutations required for the GMAT in maybe 5 sentences and 2 or 3 sample question types. It was really unnecessary for them to go into the whole anagram method and such. You cannot possibly prepare for every question type that the exam makers will throw at you. Better to spend most your time studying the most tested concepts or question types rather than spend 80% studying questions that have a 2% chance of occurring. Hardest Challenges, Brutal Questions, etc To drill the above point into your heads, I also ask you guys not to waste time on those brutal questions, hardest impossible challenges, or whatever else they manifest themselves as if you want to study efficiently (unless you are a nerd genius who won't settle for any less than a 770+). One perfect example is the Brutal SC questions, which I have seen making its rounds through this forum. This is the biggest waste of time imaginable. At best it will waste a few hours of your valuable study time. At worse, it could be detrimental to your score, as you will be carefully studying questions that are not even from official GMAC sources and may be questionably written. I didn't go through all of the Brutal SC questions as I quickly identified this as non-value added study time, but for the questions I did do, I probably scored no more than 20%, and I did these Brutal SCs just 1 week before my actual test. In other words, I would score just as well if I just randomly picked "C" for all my answers. Keep in mind that I was able to score 97% in verbal on the actual exam. Identifying odd or overly difficult questions I mention above to not focus on overly difficult questions. So how do you apply the above? Well, this one kind of comes with experience, once you have already spent some considerable time studying. Some have asked whether I simply ignored the tough questions (i.e. the ones at the end) in the OG books. The answer is no. First of all, I did every question in OG 11 and 12 on my first run through the book. By the time I was had gone through all the questions, as well as reviewed MGMAT sample questions, I kind of had an idea which concepts were frequently tested. Therefore, I ignored any advanced questions that appeared to be odd. When you see such a question, you have to ask yourself, have I seen this concept(s) tested in other official questions before. If you cannot think of seeing the odd concept tested in at least one other question during your studies then I would potentially ignore the question in future study sessions (i.e. don't bother wasting your time putting it on your error log, or whatever other method used, for future review). Chances are you've sunk enough time into that question already and it is not worth it. Also noting that advanced questions usually test multiple concepts, you have to ask whether there is a mix of good foundational concepts, and maybe one concept that is an oddity, making the question advanced and difficult. If this is the case, I would not bother focusing on the odd concept, but still note the other concepts tested. I don't remember the exact number, but I think I deemed about 10%-20% of the OG "hard" questions as testing odd concepts that would not be worth putting in the error log for later review. You do not need to get every question correct to get a good score, not even close This point kind of follows my point above that one should not focus on studying really tough or out of the ordinary questions. If you see a question on the test that you simply don't know how to do or never seen before, don't bother wasting time spinning your head on it. Chances are likely that you will waste a considerable amount of time thinking about it or freaking out about it, and then end up guessing or working it through just to get it wrong anyway. Better to just skip the question and save the time for something you CAN do. I had skipped about 3 or 4 questions in quant knowing that I didn't have a chance of figuring it out, and still didn't finish the exam on time. I also know that I didn't answer every other question correctly, as I had to do plenty of guessing on other questions as well. I still got a 49 in quant, which I think is pretty decent, and a 750 overall. Proof that you can afford to skip questions and still get a 700+ on the exam. NEVER EVER waste time on questions you don't know how to tackle. Try to eliminate some of the choices is possible, and then take an educated guess, and move on. Error Log was a waste of time (but maybe not for you) This is going to sound like blasphemy to a lot of people because so many successful GMAT scorers attribute their success to using an error log, however I found it to be an absolute waste of time. I guess everyone has their own study methods. I did start using one initially as well, hearing how critical it is to one's success, but stopped after a while. I found that I spent too much time inputting questions and all the other info (e.g. source, question type, topic tested, etc) into the error log when I could have been using that time to actually do questions. That is not to say I didn't have a way to keep track of problem areas or questions. What I found most useful for myself was to simply circle questions that I missed in the official guide, so that I could review them later. I would circle the question, and assign a 1, 2, or 3 to it depending on difficulty, with 1 essentially meaning I just wanted to review the question later to make sure the fundamental concept was still in my head later (I forget stuff over time), and a 3 meaning that I didn't know how to do the problem at all the first time through. This was much quicker than inputting a bunch of information into an excel spreadsheet. I also kept in a word file the areas that I was having problems with where I needed to review the problems (e.g. triangles, combinations, etc). Then I would simply go back to the MGMAT books or other sources to solidify my understanding of the fundamentals. Ultimately my point is that I agree that tracking mistakes and going back to certain questions is a key for success. However, using one of the pre-made error logs on this or other sites may not be most efficient for everyone. If you are a native English speaker, don't waste a lot of time with idioms I did not bother studying idioms at all and near the end of my test prep I was scoring in the 99 percentile on verbal consistently. There are just too many idioms to bother memorizing them all. Like I said, my verbal skills are not excellent, but it was NOT required to mention all the idiom listings. If anything, there are many 3-5 idioms that are more commonly tested than others, which might be worth knowing, but you will come across these in the official guide questions anyway. Again, your yardstick for determining whether or not something is worth memorizing is whether you see the specific concept (or idiom) being tested more than once in official questions. Some important ones I can think of off the top of my head are "because of" vs. "due to" or "if" vs. "whether". Reading Comprehension I was lucky enough that I am a native English speaker, although I had to work in order to develop my skills over time. However, I do enjoy reading (but maybe not how you think... keep reading and I will explain), so the reading comprehension portion was never a major concern to me (this is not to say that this section is a walk in the park for native English speakers because it certainly isn't). Nonetheless, I do have some advice and comments to make about this section for those who need to work on their scores in this area. I have read in various parts of the forum where other GMATClub members have recommended reading novels (e.g. Mark Twain) and other similar literature to improve reading comprehension skills. Although I don't argue that any amount of reading is bound to improve your comprehension at least a little bit, I feel that that this would be a waste of time, since it is not the most efficient way to improve reading comprehension for GMAT type questions. If you really want to improve reading comprehension for the GMAT, I would advocate reading the newspaper, or magazines such as Newsweek, Businessweek, etc. I would also recommend reading research journals, at least the executive summary and conclusion. When reading, don't just read news or articles that you are interested in. Also read those that you have no interest in, since your reading comprehension is obviously better when you have an interest in the topic. However, for the boring topics, pretend that you are interested while reading them.. you will be amazed by how much more attention to detail you will pay, and how much your reading comprehension will improve, when when you trick yourself into thinking you like these boring topics. Read for comprehension, and then afterwards try to summarize what the main points of the article were. As I mentioned earlier, I enjoy reading. However, I absolutely hate reading literature, especially fiction. In fact, the last time I read a work of fiction was probably over a decade ago, in high school. However, I love to read newspapers, magazines such as the publications mentioned above, etc. Therefore, I did not have many problems with the reading comprehension section. This should be proof enough that you don't need to read Huck Finn to prepare for the RC section of the GMAT... instead, read Newsweek or a scientific journal. Exam anxiety For those who have it, this can affect your performance on test day if you let it. Just take some deep slow breathes prior to the exam. Sometimes I'll do a few jumping jacks or pushups to let out some stress. Either way, you need to make sure you're in the right state of mind PRIOR to the exam. Be confident and tell yourself that it's just a test; it's really not the end of the world. Retakes are always available if needed. If stuck on a question, don't panic. As I've mentioned above, you do not even need to get close to getting every question right to get a decent score. Just skip the question and move on unless you think you will able to figure it out. From 690 to 750 As I've said, I was able to raise my score from 690 to 750 in one month. Some have asked for exactly what I did during the one month to achieve the increase. To be honest, I didn't really do anything significantly different from my 690 to 750. My 690 on the first exam consisted of 47Q and 38V. The 47Q was about on par with what I was getting on my practice tests, so I was satisfied with that score. However, on most of my practice tests I was starting to see that my verbal score was more in the vicinity of 40 or 41. As such, I knew off the bat that I had underperformed the first time I took the test and I should probably have been in the low 700 range. Since my verbal score was lower than expected, I decided to dedicate some more time to sentence correction, reading comprehension, and critical reasoning. I knew I wouldn't be able to raise my quantitative score significantly since I had already put in a ton of study there, and felt I had just about reached my limit. That is not to say I ignored quantitative during my one month study. I simply continued to do the same thing, more in order to prevent myself from forgetting concepts and strategies than anything. I did the same questions over again, and re-reviewed the MGMAT books. On test day, my verbal improved from 38 to 44 and even my quantitative went up from 47 to 49 points, I guess from the additional month of study. I hope this is helpful to at least some people out there. If anyone has any other questions, ask, and I will be more than happy to provide my feedback. I will also attempt to update this initial post based on what kind of questions I receive.

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I've gotten some PMs and just thought I'd answer here, so that everyone can benefit from the answer rather than just one person. If you have any questions, please post in this thread as opposed to PMing me. I will do my best to respond.

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I read your post on going from 550 to 750... VERY helpful. I was wondering if you have any advice on timing for the quant? I've taken the exam twice now, getting a 690 both times. Each time I've found myself with about 3-5 minutes left and about 10 questions... YIKES! I'm not doing this on practice exams (at least not to that extent) but somehow on the actual exam I've just froze up or something on the quant.

My scores on verbal have been 42 and 46, while quant is 41 and then 39. So I clearly need to ramp up that quant!

Thanks for your advice.

I had issues with timing as well, as you can see from reading my post. However, unlike you, I was also having issues with timing on practice tests, which means that I'm just a slow test taker. But you on the other hand.. based on what you're telling me it sounds like you are only experiencing this on practice test. What that means is that you might be having anxiety on the day of the exam or something else is affecting your performance.

I'm not sure what specific advice I can give you other than keep practicing quant problems until you have the basic concepts down cold or so that your anxiety wears off. Also, on the exam, if you see a problem that you know is going to take you a while, or that you just don't know how to do it, I would feel free to skip it. Like I said, quant was a major problem of mine as well, but in the end I managed a 49. This is because on the exam if I didn't know how to do it, I simply skipped it. I probably skipped at least 3 problems, and still didn't complete about 2 problems at the end because I ran out of time. I still got a 49 on quant and a 750 overall. This shows that you don't need to get every problem correct or even attempted to obtain an excellent score. But you do need to make sure that you know the concepts well enough that you nail the easier to medium problems.

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Where did you find so many OG like questions to practice?

I didn't. That's the beauty of it really. I really only reviewed from OG 11, OG 12, the Official GMAT Quantitative Review, and the Official GMAT Verbal Review. Of course the other source of official questions were the GMATPrep tests, but those should only be taken sparingly when you need to get an accurate gauge on your progress. I pretty much hammered the same questions and the same basic concepts again and again, and hey, it was enough to improve my score from the 500s to the mid 700s.

I find that the average person is probably not going to memorize the details regarding all the questions anyway. By the time I go over the question again, I would usually have forgotten what the exact "tricks" in the problems were, or the correct answers (i.e. I don't have them memorized, I would have to solve the problem again).. perhaps a smarter person would have everything memorized after the first time, I don't know.

Much of my time was spent reading the books, reviewing and re-reviewing the concepts from the MGMAT books, as well as practicing problems, then going back to the MGMAT concept books, then practicing questions over again, etc, etc. Each round that I do this, is several weeks in between, so that I would not have everything memorized.

If you need additional questions, MGMAT has a source of questions, but like I said, these are not always going to be completely indicative of actual GMAT questions. But if you really really need them, they're there, and extra practice probably won't hurt. At least they will get you thinking.

So to sum up, make sure you really exhaust the OG first. Review the basic concepts until you have them down cold. If you find that you have done all of this, and the OG questions have become obsolete because you have absolutely memorized all of the answers, THEN you might want to consider moving onto other sources that contain questions that are reputable to be indicative of actual GMAT questions. For me, the last step was not really necessary.

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Congrats man.. great score and good luck with your application.......

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HI Man ,

Congrats Inspiring One have given +1

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Awesome, phenomenal post, I am getting a simple message here: do not digress from the OGs and MGMATs! there will be other material, always but its of no use if you don't have digested OG well enough!

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Hello, First of all, a heartiest congratulation. I can totally relate to how proud you must have felt after getting such a phenomenal score. I was always a below average 'mediocre' student in school. But, I am used to working really hard to reach my goal. I do have the Manhattan guides, which I have started studying. My question is: Should I start the OG problems as soon I finish one mgmt guide? This is recommended in the mgmt guide. Or, finish all the mgmt books and then do the OG? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Once again, what an amazing story. I have read your debrief several times and intent to do so in the coming months. I personally found it very inspirational. Regards, D

If I am not mistaken, at the end of each lesson in the MGMAT books, there are problem sets from the OG guides that test you on those concepts. I would recommend going through those after each lesson just to solidify and ensure that you have a good grasp of the concepts before moving on. Also, please note that just because you have done a problem in the OG or MGMAT book, doesn't mean you shouldn't go back to it again later. If you want, you could do the problems both after each lesson, and then again after you have gone through all of the books. Hope this helps.

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Hey there Found your post inspiring ! I am also following giving MGMAT exams without timing . I would like to know how you made the transistion from going w/o timing to with timing. I would greatly appreciate your input. Thanx !

I didn't really make any sort of transition. I would say that you should always be mindful of your timing. I was only trying to make the point that the quantitative section of the MGMAT practice tests were so difficult compared that I never bothered to time myself on those, but focused more on getting the concepts down. I would say that the verbal portion of the MGMAT practice tests should be timed similar to if you were taking the actual test. Of course the GMATPrep tests should be taken under testing conditions as well.

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risys82,

Let me start out by saying congrats on your achievement. Then let me thank you for the very inspiring post. I'm in the process of restarting my GMAT studies and I found this post to be a great motivational tool. I've got the MGMAT books, Kaplan GMAT Premier 2011, and the Powerscore Critical Reasoning. I'm starting with the Kaplan book as a base, then I'll move onto the MGAT quant guides. Thanks again for the post! Did you already apply/get accepted into a program?

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huge inspiration for me! hope to make the same kind of leaps

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Great, congrats. Your candid views are very encouraging. +1

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You are a hell of a hard worker. 5 hours every day for 6 months. No wonder you hammered a 750. Could you tell us how did you managed to motivate yourself ? What was your daily study plan ?

I really agree with the point that solving OG and MGMAT time and again is better than splitting efforts.

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Simple and nice inspirational success story. Thank you.

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A huge, huge inspiration (a most valuable fuel)...
Thank you!

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I am in very much need of this inspiring post! Just found it ...thanks!

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great job actually.
this is the only post that i read that mgmat books used as only study material and such awesome score.
what were the other tests did you take other than the 7 free tests on mgmat.

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Hi Risy82! Great debrief...very encouraging since I too am planning to retake the GMAT after scoring a disappointing 670 on my first attempt. I say disappointing since I was mostly getting 700+ on my practice tests. But I have to admit that even then my Verbal score would waver. On good days, I would get 41/42 and on bad days 36. I reckon, the test day was one of the bad days since I scored a 36 on my Verbal. I have major timing issues here. I really don't know what to do differently on my verbal. But one thing I do remember from my exam day experience is that I was totally dazed when the verbal section started. I guess, lack of stamina got the better of me. This is indeed surprising because i took 6-7 prep tests under exam conditions.

Please help!

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risys82,

Great story! Right now I can use some motivation. I'm into the 3rd month of my 2nd attempt at the GMAT. During this second attempt I took the Knewton online course, which was good but, it got me to about 65% ready I figured. After finishing the online course I was scored 530 on a Knewton GMAT CAT (Q35/V29), but that was a month ago now. I felt like I needed to take a few steps back in order to get a few steps forward. I bought the MGMAT series, and i'm currently on the 3rd guide. After the 2nd MGMAT guide I tried writing one of the MGMAT Cat's and didn't even get half way through the quant with out stopping it and telling my self that I need to study more quant before going back.

So right now i'm doing the advanced section on the MGMAT guide #3, i'm finding the questions pretty difficult and discouraging at the same time. In fact discouraging to the point that this week I haven't been able to study for more than 2 hours per day.

So enough about me and my story. I guess what I liked to know is how did you study for 6 months straight? Right now i'm having trouble finding motivation in the 3rd month. Also on average it's taking me about 1.5 - 2 weeks to get through an MGMAT series book, this includes doing all the problems in both the MGMAT and the OG 12 questions listed. How long did it take you on average, and did you start going back and reviewing the MGMAT texts that you already finished or did you finish all of them and than start reviewing them again?

All in all, right now i'm trying not to burn out, especially given the fact that during my first attempt at the GMAT I psyched my self out, and scored way below what I was getting on my practice GMAT's, which was around 600's.

One thing I know is that I'M UP FOR THE CHALLENGE!

risys82, thank you for your post, I look forward to hearing from you.

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Congrats risys82, what a great post it was !! Very helpful...

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This post is really inspirational! Congratulations, risys82!!

I surely will get back to this post countless times before I write my GMAT (even after).

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Thank you for the kind words. I have applied to PhD programs and was accepted into one of my top choices, so I'm happy. For the sake of anonymity, I will leave out the name of the program (Unlike MBA programs, PhD programs only take a small handful of students)

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