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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?

A. 8/81

B. 4/27

C. 16/27

D. 2/9

E. 20/81


for third roll no >4
4/6*4/6*2/6 = 4/27

for 4th roll no>4
4/6*4/6*4/6*2/6 = 8/81

4/27+8/81 = 20/81 IMOE

Can you explain why it is 2/6? I thought it would be 4/6 for each of the three rolls.
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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?

A. 8/81

B. 4/27

C. 16/27

D. 2/9

E. 20/81


for third roll no >4
4/6*4/6*2/6 = 4/27

for 4th roll no>4
4/6*4/6*4/6*2/6 = 8/81

4/27+8/81 = 20/81 IMOE

Can you explain why it is 2/6? I thought it would be 4/6 for each of the three rolls.
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question has asked that no >4 appears after 3rd or 4th roll
so here 4/6 ; means : 1,2,3,4 digits and 2/6 refers to 5/6
so no >4 appearing on 3rd roll
4/6*4/6*2/6

and no>4 appearing after 4th roll
4/6*4/6*4/6*2/6

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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?

A. 8/81

B. 4/27

C. 16/27

D. 2/9

E. 20/81

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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?


A. \(\frac{8}{81}\)
B. \(\frac{4}{27}\)
C. \(\frac{16}{27}\)
D. \(\frac{2}{9}\)
E. \(\frac{20}{81}\)


The numbers greater than 4 on a die are 5 and 6. The probability of getting a number greater than 4 (so 5 or 6) is \(\frac{2}{6} = \frac{1}{3}\) and the probability of getting 4 or less is therefore, \(1- \frac{1}{3}= \frac{2}{3}\)

We need to find the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll.

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on third roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{4}{27}\)

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on fourth roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}*\frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{8}{81}\)

Thus, the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll \(= \frac{4}{27} + \frac{8}{81}=\frac{20}{81}\)


Answer: E
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Hi Bunuel why did we not multiply the 2 probabilities by 3C2 and the second by 4C3?I am a bit confused
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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?

A. 8/81

B. 4/27

C. 16/27

D. 2/9

E. 20/81

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A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?


A. \(\frac{8}{81}\)
B. \(\frac{4}{27}\)
C. \(\frac{16}{27}\)
D. \(\frac{2}{9}\)
E. \(\frac{20}{81}\)


The numbers greater than 4 on a die are 5 and 6. The probability of getting a number greater than 4 (so 5 or 6) is \(\frac{2}{6} = \frac{1}{3}\) and the probability of getting 4 or less is therefore, \(1- \frac{1}{3}= \frac{2}{3}\)

We need to find the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll.

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on third roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{4}{27}\)

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on fourth roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}*\frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{8}{81}\)

Thus, the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll \(= \frac{4}{27} + \frac{8}{81}=\frac{20}{81}\)


Answer: E
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Hi Bunuel why did we not multiply the 2 probabilities by 3C2 and the second by 4C3?I am a bit confused

Because in each case we are interested in that specific sequence of events. For example, we need \((4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4)\) and not say \((more \ than \ 4; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less)\) because in that case condition that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third roll would not be met.
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Given that A fair die with sides numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 is to be rolled until a number greater than 4 first appears and We need to find What is the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll?

At each stage The Probability of Getting a number Greater than 4 = \(\frac{2}{6}\) (As there are two numbers greater than 4 i.e. 5 and 6 out of 1 to 6) = \(\frac{1}{3}\)

Similarly, Probability of Getting a number less than or equal to 4 = \(\frac{4}{6}\) = \(\frac{2}{3}\)

Probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll = P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the third roll) + P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the fourth roll)

P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the third roll) = P(First Roll will give ≤ 4) * P(Second Roll will give ≤ 4) * P(Third Roll will give > 4) = \(\frac{2}{3}\) * \(\frac{2}{3}\) * \(\frac{1}{3}\) = \(\frac{4}{27}\)

P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the fourth roll) = P(First Roll will give ≤ 4) * P(Second Roll will give ≤ 4) * P(Third Roll will give ≤ 4) * P(Fourth Roll will give > 4) = \(\frac{2}{3}\) * \(\frac{2}{3}\) * \(\frac{2}{3}\) *\(\frac{1}{3}\) = \(\frac{8}{81}\)

Probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll = P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the third roll) + P(number greater than 4 will first appear on the fourth roll) = \(\frac{4}{27}\) + \(\frac{8}{81}\) = \(\frac{(12 + 8)}{81}\) = \(\frac{20}{81}\)

So, Answer will be E
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in order to role a number greater than 4 at third or fourth role we need

third role P(x<=4)^2 * (1-P(x<=4))
fourth role P(x<=4)^3 * (1-P(x<=4))

and sum them together
P(x<=4) = 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/3

so the result is
P(third) = (2/3)^2 * 1/3 = 4/27
P(fourth) = (2/3)^3 * 1/3 = 8/81

P(third or fourth) = P(third) + P(fourth) = 4/27 + 8/81 = 20/81
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here why do we multiply and not add
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A fair die, with sides numbered from 1 to 6, is rolled repeatedly until a number greater than 4 first appears. What is the probability that this occurs on the third or fourth roll?

A. \(\frac{8}{81}\)
B. \(\frac{4}{27}\)
C. \(\frac{16}{27}\)
D. \(\frac{2}{9}\)
E. \(\frac{20}{81}\)


A die has two numbers greater than 4: 5 and 6. The probability of rolling a number greater than 4 (either 5 or 6) is \(\frac{2}{6} = \frac{1}{3}\). Consequently, the probability of rolling a 4 or less is \(1- \frac{1}{3}= \frac{2}{3}\).

We want to determine the probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on the third or fourth roll.

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on the third roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{4}{27}\)

The probability of a number greater than 4 first appearing on the fourth roll \(= P(4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ 4 \ or \ less; \ more \ than \ 4) = \frac{2}{3}* \frac{2}{3}*\frac{2}{3}* \frac{1}{3}=\frac{8}{81}\)

Therefore, the combined probability that a number greater than 4 will first appear on either the third or fourth roll is \(\frac{4}{27} + \frac{8}{81} = \frac{20}{81}\).


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here why do we multiply and not add


You multiply because the events must happen in sequence: for the third roll to be the first success, roll 1 must fail, roll 2 must fail, and roll 3 must succeed. Independent events in sequence are multiplied, not added.

You add only at the very end, when combining the probability of two different cases (third roll success or fourth roll success).
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