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Hi Experts, Could you please explain what's wrong with choice D in this question? Thanks!
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Hi Experts, Could you please explain what's wrong with choice D in this question? Thanks!


Hi yt770 ,

D has the problem with "with fears raised that other countries would".

Using with clause as a modifier is incorrect here.

Also, it is trying to mean gold reserves were with fear that...

Obviously, how can reserves have fear of anything? Hence, D is Incorrect.

I hope that makes sense. :)
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Using with clause as a modifier is incorrect here.

Also, it is trying to mean gold reserves were with fear that...

Obviously, how can reserves have fear of anything? Hence, D is Incorrect.

I hope that makes sense. :)


Hi abhimahna, Thanks for your response. :)

So in this structure CLAUSE + comma + with modifier, with modifier is an adverbial modifier and must modify the action of the previous clause. Here the action is "sell" and the result of that action is -- fears were raised, so in this context the "with modifier" might make sense. I think "with modifier" here cannot modify gold reserves because of the presence of the comma. What do you think?

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Hi abhimahna, Thanks for your response. :)

So in this structure CLAUSE + comma + with modifier, with modifier is an adverbial modifier and must modify the action of the previous clause. Here the action is "sell" and the result of that action is -- fears were raised, so in this context the "with modifier" might make sense. I think "with modifier" here cannot modify gold reserves because of the presence of the comma. What do you think?

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Hi yt770 ,

No, your reasoning is incorrect my friend. with phrase here is not modifying the action of the previous clause.

With clause can modify gold reserves here.

Be very careful while using "with phrase".
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No, your reasoning is incorrect my friend. with phrase here is not modifying the action of the previous clause.

With clause can modify gold reserves here.

Be very careful while using "with phrase".


Hi abhimahna,

Thanks for your response. How did you know that with phrase here is not modifying the action of the previous clause? Can you explain a little bit?

There are numerous official examples in which with modifier has been used to modify actions.

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Hi abhimahna,

Thanks for your response. How did you know that with phrase here is not modifying the action of the previous clause? Can you explain a little bit?

There are numerous official examples in which with modifier has been used to modify actions.

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Hi yt770 ,

Read the below sentence:

The country sell about half of its gold reserves, with fears raised that other countries would do the same and inundate the market.

They sell something, with fears raised..

Do you really think this sentence is making sense? Fears raised? Whose fears were raised? Was selling raising the fears?

The better way to say this is:

They sell something, raising fears that ... Now, this is the best way to provide the idea.

There is alot of awkwardness in this sentence. Does that make sense? :)
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A Swiss government panel recommended that the country sell about half of its gold reserves and this raised fears of other countries that do the same and inundate the market.

A Swiss government panel recommended X and this X resulted in Y.
or simply panel took x causing Y.

In given sentence, this is improperly used pronoun to refer the recommendation.
This pronoun also results in improper meaning.

In option B. reserves, which, as a result, raised fears of other countries that

Which refers to reserves instead of recommendation.
as a result is wordy and modifies which.

C. reserves, as a result, they feared that other countries would

as a result is wordy and modifies which.
they implies is absurd as it refers to reserves wrongly thereby introducing the meaning error.

D. reserves, with fears raised that other countries would

with construction after comma is improper and wrong modifier
fears raised is in passive voice instead of active voice as indicated in non underlined part of the sentence.

E. reserves, raising fears that other countries o

This sentence solves all the problems.
raising fears is the correct verb-ing modifier correctly modifying previous action(panel recommending sth) and presenting result of the previous action in correct tense, voice and construction.

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Hi Nevernevergiveup, GMATNinja,

Please your help. I don't get why ,with is wrong. Here is another question (I think its actually a gmatprep one) that uses the mentioned construction: https://gmatclub.com/forum/visitors-to- ... 51789.html

Besides that, is there a problem with "fears raised that". Besides the passive voice, is 'that' modifying 'raised' wrong? If it is, why?

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Contrary to popular opinion, I think both D and E are correct. There's plenty of cases where ",with" modifies an entire clause in GMATPrep. Pretty sure this question won't be on the exam due to this exact ambiguity. :P
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A Swiss government panel recommended that the country sell about half of its gold reserves and this raised fears of other countries that do the same and inundate the market.

A. reserves and this raised fears of other countries that - this needs to followed by a noun
B. reserves, which, as a result, raised fears of other countries that - which incorrectly refers to reserves
C. reserves, as a result, they feared that other countries would - no antecedent for they
D. reserves, with fears raised that other countries would - "with fears raised" leaves it pretty unclear as to whose fears are raised.
Is it "The Swiss government"? That's kind of illogical...why would they make this move with its own fears that it could cause a bigger problem. If that were the intent of the sentence you'd have to use a transition like "despite fears" to show that the government had fears, but still decided to make that decision.

Is it "the country"? If so, that makes it part of the recommendation ("you should sell half your gold with fear!") and that's not really logical either.
So I'd say it's a two-part reason: one, there really isn't a clear subject of "with fears raised" and two, there isn't a logical subject for it either. The modifier "raising fears" in E assigns "raising fears" to the action, and that makes a lot of sense. The Swiss made this decision, and the decision raised fears around the world that this could lead to a major problem.

E. reserves, raising fears that other countries would - Correct

Answer E
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Hi Nevernevergiveup, GMATNinja,

Please your help. I don't get why ,with is wrong. Here is another question (I think its actually a gmatprep one) that uses the mentioned construction: https://gmatclub.com/forum/visitors-to- ... 51789.html

Besides that, is there a problem with "fears raised that". Besides the passive voice, is 'that' modifying 'raised' wrong? If it is, why?





Hello CristianJuarez,


I am not sure if you still have this doubt. Here is the explanation nonetheless. :-)



The way the expression with fear raised has been used in Choice D, it fails to convey that the recommendation of the Swiss government panel has raised fears. This is the intended meaning that has been amply expressed in the original sentence although through incorrect grammar.


Choice D seems to suggest that the country sell half of its gold reserves with fear raised as if the country's fear should be raised. So clearly, use of the with phrase does not convey the intended meaning.



Hope this helps. :-)
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