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count me in for DAK2
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Count me in for DAK II as well as the GMATClub dinner.....

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I'm jealous of you guys...wish I could go to DAK2 (went to DAK1 and had a blast).
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Hey,

Could River or any of the other current students tell us a little about how bidding for classes works? When does it start and how the process works? How competitive is it to get to a coveted class (for example, Rogers)?

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Bidding at Kellogg is pretty much the same as it will be at all schools. You get points and then you bid on the courses you want. 1st year you get 2,000 points and 2nd year you get 3,000 points. You bid on classes, if it has 65 seats and 100 people bid, you pay what the 65th highest amount was...so you could bid 1000 and be #20 but the #65 bidder only bid 350, and you only pay 350 and get 650 points back for the next semester.

Your first quarter, this fall, you get your classes for free. You will pick your classes and dont have to bid (thats why you get 1,000 fewer points). However, since you are MMM you will be taking classes winter quarter that no one else is really taking yet. I have friends who are MMMs who got their classes for like <10 points total during the winter...which means you can get pretty much anything you want in the spring.

You can take pretty much any class you want. However, like most schools you probably wont get to take every single rock star professor. The thing you need to do is plan out more than just that one quarters classes or else you might bid on the several popular professors and then have very few points left for the last quarter or something. If you prioritize what classes are musts then you will easily get the classes you want and can take most of the professors that you just have to have. In my opinion, bidding 800 points more for a guy who gets 9.6 vs 250 for a guy who gets a 9.1 is silly, but that is what happens with some classes. There will be one rockstar who bids for 2 to 3 times what other great professors go for...and the difference in quality definitely is not that huge. That said you can easily still get a rockstar or two for each semester. Some of the best professors teach classes that arent overly popular so they dont bid for huge points.

Don't worry about bidding yet, you will have plenty of time to figure it out. 2nd years will definitely walk you through the process...and its basically the same as you will deal with at all schools. I think the biggest difference is first quarter you dont have to bid on classes like at some schools. You will get all the classes you dont waive out of assigned to you (your can switch you schedule around if you want), luckily a lot of the 1st semester core professors are amazing, and the few that arent awesome if you are proactive you can switch.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I'm actually not MMM but I guess the process is pretty much the same?

If you want a professor bad enough, you should be able to get him, right?

How do we know which professors are considered the best? Is there a student evaluation documents thats available or is it just word of mouth?

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If you want a professor bad enough, you should be able to get him, right?

How do we know which professors are considered the best? Is there a student evaluation documents thats available or is it just word of mouth?
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Opps thought you were one of the many MMM that are on here. Yes, if you want a professor bad enough you can get it. However, like at all schools it will be impossible to take every rock star professor who bids for huge points. As long as you prioritize you can take the professors you feel are must haves.

There are what are called TCE's (Teacher Course Evaluations)...you fill them out for each professor at the end of the semester and they score professors on a 1-10 scale. These tell you how the professor is viewed, the course load, difficulty, accessibility...pretty much everything you need to make a decision. 2nd years are also very helpful with professors and courses. Some of my favorite professors so far werent the rockstars who get 9.5+ on the TCE's.
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If you want a professor bad enough, you should be able to get him, right?

How do we know which professors are considered the best? Is there a student evaluation documents thats available or is it just word of mouth?
Opps thought you were one of the many MMM that are on here. Yes, if you want a professor bad enough you can get it. However, like at all schools it will be impossible to take every rock star professor who bids for huge points. As long as you prioritize you can take the professors you feel are must haves.

There are what are called TCE's (Teacher Course Evaluations)...you fill them out for each professor at the end of the semester and they score professors on a 1-10 scale. These tell you how the professor is viewed, the course load, difficulty, accessibility...pretty much everything you need to make a decision. 2nd years are also very helpful with professors and courses. Some of my favorite professors so far werent the rockstars who get 9.5+ on the TCE's.
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Thanks. Good stuff!
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Gil, if I were you I would not worry about bidding and getting classees...every school will have similar ways of getting classes. You will quickly learn to navigate the process and will get the courses you want and probably the professors. Kellogg does have an incredible amount of electives (far more than most schools) but the popular classes have far more sections. There might be one class a year on the airline industry that gets 40 people but there will be a dozen negotiations classes. Some wont fill up but if you want Medvec (THE rockstar negotiations prof) its going to cost a huge number of points...you can get one of the other good professors for almost no points. My advice is take the best professors for courses that you think you will either find very challenging or are going to be incredibly important in your career.

I think many of the biggest point courses are marketing and management & organizations (MORS). Marketing is super popular because honestly some of the classes are just plain fun and interesting. Even if you never plan on going into marketing the classes are really interesting and enjoyable...thankfully Kellogg's rep as a marketing powerhouse helps it attract the best marketing professors in the world and thus there are tons of amazing marketing professors here. If you have no interest in marketing then you will be able to take every popular finance class no problem...if you are in marketing, you have to be smart about where you spend your points. Thankfully there might be 2 or 3 rockstar professors teaching some of the more popular marketing courses.

The MORS classes are popular because a lot focus on the soft skills and if you talk to alumni, they will tell you these are the classes that help them succeed far more than finance. I have been told numerous times the people that move up the fastest and highest aren't the people who have the best hard skills but those who best move through an organization, network well, and know how to connect with people. One of my professors who was a former CEO put it, during your first few years you focus on the hardskills but if you have the softskills you will quickly move out of that role and into one where you are leveraging other peoples hardskills not your own. However, if you have great hardskills but no softskills you are gonna hit that ceilling very fast. Like marketing, these classes are taken by people in all disciplines so that tends to increase points bid on the popular professors.

For me I would say out of the 12 or so classes I have left, the majority will go for nothing in the 1st rounds...even with the good professors. There are probably 3 or 4 that are popular and have rockstars that have classes go for 1000+ points. However, most also have other great professors (who dont have the big name yet) that will go for 250-350 each. I know I will get the classes I want, I might not be able to take all my classes with the biggest names but a few of them aren't vital to me so I am more than willing to take a good professor and save the points for the few courses and professors that I think are MUST haves for me.
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Thanks River - very informative. I can definitely see how the system works. My main fear is ending up missing out on courses I really want to take but I can see how the system lets you correct mistakes in the next semester.
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Hi Guys,

I was a silent follower of this forum and topic for a while and would like to thank you all (especially Riverripper) who contribute to group and share their knowledge about almost every related subject within the group.

I am an international applicant accepted to Kellogg's 2Y MBA program. For enrollment fee, school does not accept wire transfer or credit card payment from international applicants. Only options are checks, traveler's check and money order. Only available option in my country is American Express travelers check. When I called the admissions they advised me to send them double signed American Express traveler’s checks. I called the company and asked for their travelers check service and they told me that if I sign the check for two times, it's not insured anymore. I feel that it’s not very safe to send Usd 1.500 worth checks to the school in an envelope.

How did other int. applicants overcome this problem? Any advice much appreciated...

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Hi Guys,

I was a silent follower of this forum and topic for a while and would like to thank you all (especially Riverripper) who contribute to group and share their knowledge about almost every related subject within the group.

I am an international applicant accepted to Kellogg's 2Y MBA program. For enrollment fee, school does not accept wire transfer or credit card payment from international applicants. Only options are checks, traveler's check and money order. Only available option in my country is American Express travelers check. When I called the admissions they advised me to send them double signed American Express traveler’s checks. I called the company and asked for their travelers check service and they told me that if I sign the check for two times, it's not insured anymore. I feel that it’s not very safe to send Usd 1.500 worth checks to the school in an envelope.

How did other int. applicants overcome this problem? Any advice much appreciated...

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I'm not international, so I don't have this issue (and I'm sure Paradosso will give his thoughts on it). But are you going to DAK in late April? If so, you can probably bring the traveler's checks with you and sign them on the spot for extra security.
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PM Padarosso, he went through this a few weeks ago. If you send it via fedex or ups, you can insure the package for the amount enclosed and require a signature to accept delivery. Probably a more expensive option but will definitely protect you.
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Bidding at Kellogg is pretty much the same as it will be at all schools. You get points and then you bid on the courses you want. 1st year you get 2,000 points and 2nd year you get 3,000 points. You bid on classes, if it has 65 seats and 100 people bid, you pay what the 65th highest amount was...so you could bid 1000 and be #20 but the #65 bidder only bid 350, and you only pay 350 and get 650 points back for the next semester.
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[strike]Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, this is a BIG improvement over Chicago, where you pay whatever you bid, even if you way overdid it. Not trying to start a flame war - that's just the only other school where I investigated the bidding system.[/strike]

Edit: Looks like I am wrong! Sorry for the misinformation!

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Your first quarter, this fall, you get your classes for free. You will pick your classes and dont have to bid (thats why you get 1,000 fewer points). However, since you are MMM you will be taking classes winter quarter that no one else is really taking yet. I have friends who are MMMs who got their classes for like <10 points total during the winter...which means you can get pretty much anything you want in the spring.
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Sounds good to me ;) Do points roll over to your second year?

Another question - what happens in December? I see exams end December 4th...
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Hi,

I myself sent AmEx traveler's cheques in the amount of $1500 (the whole thing cost me something like €1500 after insurance).

I did not sign them because I did not know they must be, I did not know nor any Kellogg person told me to*. So maybe I'm not the best person to give advice on this. I now plan to sign them during DAKII, hoping that the adcoms will not hold against me the fact that I was born in 1981, not 1921, and have never used this deprecated form of payment before.

I sent them via UPS with the slip and transcipts enclosed. Not much else to say, except that this is being a hell of a frustrating experience.
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Bidding at Kellogg is pretty much the same as it will be at all schools. You get points and then you bid on the courses you want. 1st year you get 2,000 points and 2nd year you get 3,000 points. You bid on classes, if it has 65 seats and 100 people bid, you pay what the 65th highest amount was...so you could bid 1000 and be #20 but the #65 bidder only bid 350, and you only pay 350 and get 650 points back for the next semester.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, this is a BIG improvement over Chicago, where you pay whatever you bid, even if you way overdid it. Not trying to start a flame war - that's just the only other school where I investigated the bidding system.

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Your first quarter, this fall, you get your classes for free. You will pick your classes and dont have to bid (thats why you get 1,000 fewer points). However, since you are MMM you will be taking classes winter quarter that no one else is really taking yet. I have friends who are MMMs who got their classes for like <10 points total during the winter...which means you can get pretty much anything you want in the spring.

Sounds good to me ;) Do points roll over to your second year?

Another question - what happens in December? I see exams end December 4th...
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Monkbent,

rhyme, GmatClub's own Booth extraordinaire, Chicago charges the amount of credits that were bid by the first unsuccessful bidder. I have heard Kellogg gives more options in terms of number of sections teached, so from a supply-side standpoint it should be easier than Chicago.
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I now plan to sign them during DAKII, hoping that the adcoms will not hold against me the fact that I was born in 1981, not 1921, and have never used this deprecated form of payment before.
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You are coming for DAK 2? When you gonna be here...bringing the little lady.
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