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This is one question said to be from official sources according to the LINK given below (in its attached file.)
https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-most-com ... 40372.html


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23. Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved from the previous year, only look less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are more flavorful.

A. cousins, often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but are
B. cousins, often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
C. cousins, often green and striped, or they have plenty of bumps and bruises, although they are
D. cousins; they are often green and striped, or with plenty of bumps and bruises, although
E. cousins; they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises, but they are


This is another from OG sources.
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Which one is the correct official version?


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[quote="macjas"]Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.


(A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year (Here it appears that the first prahse is modifying main subject heirloom tomatoes but instead of verb we find a comma which is wrong)

(B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

(C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year (Same as (A), Verb for main subject missing)

(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins (Though this one is close. There is no contrast indicating word such as although so B is preferred)

(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins (Remove modifier phrase between commas and sentence still should make sense but "they" makes it wrong)
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

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So, the correct sentence (B) is:

Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
The core is:
Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

Although heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
In this version, why we did not use the pronoun of 'heirloom tomatoes' in the 2nd highlighted part?
What if I say:
Although Mr. Robert is a member of GMAT Club, Mr. Robert did blah blah blah....
Should I use 'Mr. Robert' for the 2nd time? Shouldn't we use the pronoun of 'Mr. Robert'?
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

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So, the correct sentence (B) is:

Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
The core is:
Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises – heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

Although heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
In this version, why we did not use the pronoun of 'heirloom tomatoes' in the 2nd highlighted part?
What if I say:
Although Mr. Robert is a member of GMAT Club, Mr. Robert did blah blah blah....
Should I use 'Mr. Robert' for the 2nd time? Shouldn't we use the pronoun of 'Mr. Robert'?
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Hello, Asad. There is no problem with referring to a variety of tomato, the heirloom, by its truncated form heirlooms later in the sentence. It is no different from shortening the adjectival form of the item to its nominative form in the following sentence shells:

1) Although the hooded sweatshirt... hoodies have made a comeback in recent years.

2) Although the convertible top on some earlier models of automobiles... convertibles continue to roam the streets year after year.

If the noun clearly refers back to the earlier adjective-noun iteration, even if, as in the second sentence above, that phrase is stretched out quite a bit, then there is no issue to speak of. In that second sentence, no one is going to misinterpret it as saying that convertible tops are roaming the streets, but that, logically, it must be cars or autos with convertible tops, commonly known as convertibles, that are doing the roaming instead.

I hope that helps. If you have further questions, feel free to ask.

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So B states "Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins".

I agree that P.O.E leaves us with B here but i am not able understand that the usage of 'their' in this sentence. I actually forgot the rule of possessive pronouns on GMAT. Can someone please brush up on that topic. So possessive pronoun (after the noun is addressed) can refer to that particular noun? And that same rule wouldnt work if possessive pronoun appears before the noun?
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I actually forgot the rule of possessive pronouns on GMAT.

Hi Krishchamp, I don't believe there is any such rule (worth remembering).

Possessive pronouns can refer to both possessive nouns and to non-possessive nouns.
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

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Can I say that E is wrong because 2 consecutive modifiers (1/grown from seeds saved during the previous year; and 2/although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins..) CAN'T modify one thing (noun)!
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Can I say that E is wrong because 2 consecutive modifiers (1/grown from seeds saved during the previous year; and 2/although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins..) CAN'T modify one thing (noun)!

Hi TheUltimateWinner, notice the structure of E:

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing...

Does't that sound absurd? It's basically saying:

Heirloom tomatoes (are) grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing...

This suggests that despite the fact that Heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing, they are grown from seeds saved during the previous year!

However, that doesn't make sense. The fact that Heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing is independent of the fact that they are grown from seeds saved during the previous year!
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TheUltimateWinner wrote:
Can I say that E is wrong because 2 consecutive modifiers (1/grown from seeds saved during the previous year; and 2/although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins..) CAN'T modify one thing (noun)!

Hi TheUltimateWinner, notice the structure of E:

Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing...

Does't that sound absurd? It's basically saying:

Heirloom tomatoes (are) grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing...

This suggests that despite the fact that Heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing, they are grown from seeds saved during the previous year!

However, that doesn't make sense. The fact that Heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing is independent of the fact that they are grown from seeds saved during the previous year!

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Thanks for the reply.
It's ok, but my question is all about 'elimination process'!
Question: Can I remove any answer option(s) by seeing the 'consecutive modifiers', which modify just ONE thing?
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Question: Can I remove any answer option(s) by seeing the 'consecutive modifiers', which modify just ONE thing?

Hi TheUltimateWinner, consecutive modifiers modifying the same entity, is indeed not a great construct. However, I recollect coming across an official question where this construct was acceptable (can't recall the exact question).

So, I would like to club these kind of constructs in the not preferable category.
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I would be very very greatful to you if you can help me by giving an official example where 2 conservative modifiers (staying side by side) modify the SAME thing in the correct answer choice.
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TheUltimateWinner wrote:
Question: Can I remove any answer option(s) by seeing the 'consecutive modifiers', which modify just ONE thing?

Hi TheUltimateWinner, consecutive modifiers modifying the same entity, is indeed not a great construct. However, I recollect coming across an official question where this construct was acceptable (can't recall the exact question).

So, I would like to club these kind of constructs in the not preferable category.


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regarding choice b
the point to learn from choice B is that an independent clause can be used to modify a noun. normally, which clause, relative clause should be in this position. but an independant clause separated by dash is good.

if we do not know this rule, we can eliminate other choices by realizing that they are totally wrong. knowing this rule in advance helps us a lot.
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I would be very very greatful to you if you can help me by giving an official example where 2 conservative modifiers (staying side by side) modify the SAME thing in the correct answer choice

Will certainly reproduce that example here if/when I come across that sentence again.
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