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Please help with this one. DOUBT in Question 2:

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Agna: Agna was established in an inland forest around AD 800 and its residents mainly hunted but also ate considerable amounts of fruit, nuts, and other forest-vegetable products. They also traded meat to Barras for other goods. With no open fields, Agna grew no grain.
Cussaia: Predating Barras, Cussaia depended heavily on raising grain crops and eventually obtained seafood and meat via trade. It traded directly only with Barras, because a mountain range separated it from Agna, though some products may have been traded between Agna and Cussaia via Barras.

>>Then how the answer to (Ques ii : Agna grew no grain) is No? (It should be YES bcz of the Bold portion(as marked))

>>Then how the answer to (Ques iii :Cussaia traded directly only with Barras) is No? (It should be YES bcz of the Bold portion(as marked))

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I think you have misread the question. Note again:

Question 2: For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is separately supported by the passage and separately supported by each of the two tables. Otherwise select No.

We select "YES" only if the statement is supported by both the passage (Tab 1 - Village Sites) and by each table thereafter (showing the other two tabs) independently. But only the passage gives info on all 3 statements. The tables give no info on the statements.

Hence, we select "NO" for all.

Hi KarishmaB! I've never seen a questions like this on IR! I mean the trap about having in the info SEPARATELY in each tab. Is this common in IR questions? Thank you! :)
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Please help with this one. DOUBT in Question 2:

Given:
Agna: Agna was established in an inland forest around AD 800 and its residents mainly hunted but also ate considerable amounts of fruit, nuts, and other forest-vegetable products. They also traded meat to Barras for other goods. With no open fields, Agna grew no grain.
Cussaia: Predating Barras, Cussaia depended heavily on raising grain crops and eventually obtained seafood and meat via trade. It traded directly only with Barras, because a mountain range separated it from Agna, though some products may have been traded between Agna and Cussaia via Barras.

>>Then how the answer to (Ques ii : Agna grew no grain) is No? (It should be YES bcz of the Bold portion(as marked))

>>Then how the answer to (Ques iii :Cussaia traded directly only with Barras) is No? (It should be YES bcz of the Bold portion(as marked))

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I think you have misread the question. Note again:

Question 2: For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is separately supported by the passage and separately supported by each of the two tables. Otherwise select No.

We select "YES" only if the statement is supported by both the passage (Tab 1 - Village Sites) and by each table thereafter (showing the other two tabs) independently. But only the passage gives info on all 3 statements. The tables give no info on the statements.

Hence, we select "NO" for all.

Hi KarishmaB! I've never seen a questions like this on IR! I mean the trap about having in the info SEPARATELY in each tab. Is this common in IR questions? Thank you! :)

IR has lots of small data packets and that creates the possibility of formulating the question in a million different ways. Mind you, the question would be answerable within a couple or so mins but you would really need to read the question very very well - that is the main point and one that once internalised helps you solve ALL types of questions. Just like in everyday business activities and in life, we cannot expect the same patterns to repeat always. There are bound to be new, never-before-seen challenges which can be handled using the same experience, and that is called skill! :)
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Hey Sajjad1994.
can you please explain why is are we marking yes for the First question third statement. In the passage it is mentioned that Barras grew some crops, so how can we say conclusively that it imported 5 or more precent from Cussaia..
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If you look at the table that shows the food variety by century, we see an increase of grain by 5% which meets the requirement to assume they imported it via the instructions above.
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Hey Sajjad1994.
can you please explain why is are we marking yes for the First question third statement. In the passage it is mentioned that Barras grew some crops, so how can we say conclusively that it imported 5 or more precent from Cussaia..
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hello, for Q2 statement 1, we can see an increase in the percent share of grain increasing as we go down. It is mentioned in the para that as population grew, food became more available and as they already raised some crops (as mentioned in the same para), why cant we assume that the increase in the grain share is because of that?
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The statement needs to be separately supported by the paragraph and each of the tables, while the paragraph tells us the population increased, there is no data in each of the two tables that supports it.
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hello, for Q2 statement 1, we can see an increase in the percent share of grain increasing as we go down. It is mentioned in the para that as population grew, food became more available and as they already raised some crops (as mentioned in the same para), why cant we assume that the increase in the grain share is because of that?
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Ans 3) The question is asking the average consumption of the village per month and not average per capita.
Meat consumption in 1000's AD - 160 lbs per family of 4 ==> 40 lbs per person ==> Population in 1000's AD from 1st Section = 400 residents
40*400 = 1600

Ans 1) From table Percentages (Food Variety Table):
From 800 to 900 AD Meat increased from 15% to 30% --> equal or more than 5%
From 600 to 700 AD Grains increased from 10% to 15% ---> equal or more than 5%
Reasons given applied
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Regarding third part of Q1...
I have one query how I can know that there is a 5% increase in the amount of consumption of grain of barras from 600AD to 700AD...in the second tab, the percentage value of the items is given ....so it is basically relative..there may not be actual change in the amount of one item..for example the 5% increase in foodgrain from 600AD to 700AD might not be becuase of any actual increase in the consumption of food grain..rather it might be because of decrease in "other"...Please explain
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Regarding third part of Q1...
I have one query how I can know that there is a 5% increase in the amount of consumption of grain of barras from 600AD to 700AD...in the second tab, the percentage value of the items is given ....so it is basically relative..there may not be actual change in the amount of one item..for example the 5% increase in foodgrain from 600AD to 700AD might not be becuase of any actual increase in the consumption of food grain..rather it might be because of decrease in "other"...Please explain

Percentages alone (Food Variety, tab 2) cannot tell you whether grain increased in pounds. You are right about that. So to test the 5% rule for grain, you must combine tab 2 percentages with tab 3 pounds to convert grain into pounds, then compare across centuries.



But we are not using tab 2 alone. Food Consumption (tab 3) gives actual pounds of seafood, and seafood pounds increase from the 600s to the 700s. Since tab 2 shows seafood stays the same percentage of the diet across those centuries, higher seafood pounds means the total amount of food consumed also increased. With a higher total and a higher grain percentage, grain in pounds must increase too.

So you cannot dismiss the grain increase as “just Other decreased.” You must anchor with tab 3, convert grain from tab 2 into pounds, and compare.




Hope it helps.

P.S. This question has already been addressed earlier in this thread. Please review the prior posts before posting.
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In exam to manage time whether to note down this details or scan :
The information is so much that noting it down will take time and scanning I might end up missing some information. Need help with understanding strategy also from time management POV.
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I understood where I fall apart. It said from the passage and from the table, which makes it a bit tricky logical question. Thank you for making it very easy.
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Question 2:

The question asks whether it is supported by each of the two tables. i.e. The statement should be supported by Table 1 AND Table 2. Even if one of the tables does not support the statement, the answer is No. This is analogous to the Logical AND function.

Questions/Statements in the red box, let’s consider them Stmt1, Stmt2, Stmt3.

Statement is SEPERATELY supported by the passage -
Stmt1 -Yes (Read the last line about Barras)
Stmt2 -Yes (Read the last line about Agna)
Stmt3 -Yes (Read the last line about Cussia)

Statement is SEPERATELY supported by each of the 2 tables -
Stmt1 - No (Becasue no data available)
Stmt2 -No (Becasue no data available)
Stmt3 -No (Becasue no data available)

Clubbing them together for final answer -
Stmt1 -No
Stmt2 -No
Stmt3 -No
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It took me around 9 minutes to finish the question (I do believe I can finish it in 7 minutes, as I have my child)! Noting down is not the solution, I believe. Just take the notes of the questions and scan the tables. For example, if you see table 2, you will find that the third village actually traded grains with the first village. I missed the second question because I did not understand the logical flow.
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In exam to manage time whether to note down this details or scan :
The information is so much that noting it down will take time and scanning I might end up missing some information. Need help with understanding strategy also from time management POV.
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