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The fact that schools move around so much in BW is a result of the fact that the scoring clusters the schools so close, that small changes in results can sway the rankings. In another word, instead of the linear appearance of 1, 2, 3 ranking, the schools are more grouped like 1, 1.01, 1.04, 1.045, 1.05, 2.02, 2.021... The usefulness of the ranking is to see the clustering within the rankings, since those schools are likely to have similar performance.

One thing I do like about BW is that it doesn’t tamper with the survey “noise”. Whereas I strongly believe USNews does. For example, for law school ranking, the same 14 schools are ALWAYS ranked in the top 14. It is hard for me to imagine that a #15 school (UT, UCLA, Vandy) has NEVER outperformed a #14 (Cornell, Georgetown) school in the history of USNews ranking. There have been many law school scandals, changes in regional economic prominence since the inception of USNews ranking. NEVER once is hard to imagine. Underdogs can get lucky once or twice, just look at all the Cinderella teams in March Madness.

For me, BW is like a startup. It’s trying to reflect the changing business school climate. USNews is like IBM, staying the conservative course -- “no one ever got fired for buying IBM.”
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hahaha ... funny comparison... :lol:
I read this article today by BW. https://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-11-10/best-business-schools-2014-methodology-for-ranking-schools
It explains the methodology in detail. I am really impressed to be honest, since that's a lot of data to handle. According to it the ranking of top schools is in almost correlation with the recruiter ranking received by them, as in top schools the student ratings / scores were pretty much bunched up.
However, the grouping structure theory doesn't really hold water in this specific case, since the vertical movement in ranking is too much (refer to the instances I quoted in last post). I will take your word regarding USNews though, since I don't much follow it and know nothing.
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Bottom line, there are a lot of really great schools in this country. Duke being number one is simply a testament to the fact that it is an awesome school, and this is something that all associated with the school should be proud of. In the end, Fuqua is the exact same school today that it was when US News said it was the fourteenth best school in the country earlier this year. The same can be said for Harvard, Stanford, etc... Even if the rankings are inconsistent, you have to be doing something right to be ranked #1.
You got a point, but personally I'd have preferred Duke being ranked #1 by a ranking which had some higher level of reliability.



If you are accepted at both Harvard and Duke, where would you go? More importantly, if a recruiter had a choice between two candidates with same abilities but one from Harvard and the other from Duke, who would s/he accept? I believe answer to these questions would help judge the rankings better.
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Have a look at this https://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-11-11/best-business-schools-2014-the-complete-rankings-table

Apparently recruiters love Fuquans more than HBS grads, #2 compared to #7. Not making any conclusions though, just an observation.
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BW has Wake Forest ranked in the top 50 - and they no longer have a full-time program. I understand this happened recently, but they should update the rankings.
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Bottom line, there are a lot of really great schools in this country. Duke being number one is simply a testament to the fact that it is an awesome school, and this is something that all associated with the school should be proud of. In the end, Fuqua is the exact same school today that it was when US News said it was the fourteenth best school in the country earlier this year. The same can be said for Harvard, Stanford, etc... Even if the rankings are inconsistent, you have to be doing something right to be ranked #1.
You got a point, but personally I'd have preferred Duke being ranked #1 by a ranking which had some higher level of reliability.



If you are accepted at both Harvard and Duke, where would you go? More importantly, if a recruiter had a choice between two candidates with same abilities but one from Harvard and the other from Duke, who would s/he accept? I believe answer to these questions would help judge the rankings better.
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I know Harvard is more prestigious, and I'm not arguing that Duke is better than Harvard, I'm simply saying that being ranked #1 is a testament to the quality of program and reputation that Fuqua has built. You don't get ranked #1 or even top 5 accidentally. The school is doing things right.
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BW has Wake Forest ranked in the top 50 - and they no longer have a full-time program. I understand this happened recently, but they should update the rankings.
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They will have a full time program through 2016. However they are not accepting applications for class of 2017.
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flewbye, thanks for the clarification - that makes sense to keep them ranked then.
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Bottom line, there are a lot of really great schools in this country. Duke being number one is simply a testament to the fact that it is an awesome school, and this is something that all associated with the school should be proud of. In the end, Fuqua is the exact same school today that it was when US News said it was the fourteenth best school in the country earlier this year. The same can be said for Harvard, Stanford, etc... Even if the rankings are inconsistent, you have to be doing something right to be ranked #1.
You got a point, but personally I'd have preferred Duke being ranked #1 by a ranking which had some higher level of reliability.



If you are accepted at both Harvard and Duke, where would you go? More importantly, if a recruiter had a choice between two candidates with same abilities but one from Harvard and the other from Duke, who would s/he accept? I believe answer to these questions would help judge the rankings better.
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if i were a recruiter, and as you mentioned same abilities, i would hire the duke.. one because he/she comes at a lower cost.
i would not want to pay extra for something i dont need (brand value of the school)

tech + health sector is growing.
having "harvard" tag on the team does not bring more business.
it might in the case of consultancy/banking.

(please note assumption was candidates of similar ability)
(moreover, is there a point beyond which having higher abilities (reflected in gpa, gmat, ug, branded companies) does not translate into better performance for companies/businesses? i dont have the answer to the question. i wonder)
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jumsumtak What are the champagnes for? We only brought out the champagne at graduation. Is this for the #1 celebration?
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asimov - yup! Had a short speech by Coach K as well - "You've been a team... It's really the reason you won" #teamfuqua
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Got an invite for the LGBT weekend. Any one coming for the LGBT weekend ?
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For all those souls waiting eagerly for the interview shortlist, I made this countdown clock.
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Hey guys,
I was wondering if there are any applicants who filled the "extenuating circumstances" for the interview part. Did anyone request a skype interview?
I've picked london (which is a 7-hour flight from where I am) and don't really see how it's worth the money and time. Do you think it's ok to contact the adcoms now and request a skype interview (before being invited). I'm a R1 applicant btw.

Really appreciate your thoughts.
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I was wondering if there are any applicants who filled the "extenuating circumstances" for the interview part. Did anyone request a skype interview?
I've picked london (which is a 7-hour flight from where I am) and don't really see how it's worth the money and time. Do you think it's ok to contact the adcoms now and request a skype interview (before being invited). I'm a R1 applicant btw.

Really appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks!!
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An AdCom once told me that upon being invited I could contact them to discuss the issue if I could not make the trip and they would always try to find a solution. For what is worth, they seem to always try to make things easier for the applicant and help solving these kind of problems.

So, I would try to contact them, although I might wait unil being invited now.
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All the best to guys waiting for the interview invites , I remember being in a similar situation a month back
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Hey guys,
I was wondering if there are any applicants who filled the "extenuating circumstances" for the interview part. Did anyone request a skype interview?
I've picked london (which is a 7-hour flight from where I am) and don't really see how it's worth the money and time. Do you think it's ok to contact the adcoms now and request a skype interview (before being invited). I'm a R1 applicant btw.

Really appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks!!
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Whenever possible, I would recommend interviewing in person. You can build a rapport much better in person. It also demonstrate your commitment and interest in the school. This is especially important if you think you are an borderline candidate. I think with elite level school, no one is a 100% sure shot. I flew ~2,000 miles to interview on campus.

The "extenuating circumstances" are usually cases in which the candidate is in a country Fuqua AdCom doesn't visit and the candidate can't get a visa in time to travel to the interview site, etc.
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ok someone convince me out of this.

I think the recent BW ranking will undoubtedly lead to a surge in quality and quantity of R2 applicants. It also increases R1 yield. In addition, the key demographics of the class are already filled by EA admits.

I really doubt that there is any incentive for adcom to interview many people in R1. Instead there is a huge incentive for them to defer as many candidates as possible to R2 in order to fill the class with compatible (and also competitive) candidates. Untrue?
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ok someone convince me out of this.

I think the recent BW ranking will undoubtedly lead to a surge in quality and quantity of R2 applicants. It also increases R1 yield. In addition, the key demographics of the class are already filled by EA admits.

I really doubt that there is any incentive for adcom to interview many people in R1. Instead there is a huge incentive for them to defer as many candidates as possible to R2 in order to fill the class with compatible (and also competitive) candidates. Untrue?
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I wouldn't over think it. While it is a great accomplishment to be first in the BW rankings, there are a lot of people that don't take them that seriously. I think their apps will be pretty much in line with last year/what they were expecting pre rankings. Do you think people changed their mind and aren't going to apply to Harvard now since it was dropped to 8th in those rankings?
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If you are accepted at both Harvard and Duke, where would you go? More importantly, if a recruiter had a choice between two candidates with same abilities but one from Harvard and the other from Duke, who would s/he accept? I believe answer to these questions would help judge the rankings better.[/quote]

I know Harvard is more prestigious, and I'm not arguing that Duke is better than Harvard, I'm simply saying that being ranked #1 is a testament to the quality of program and reputation that Fuqua has built. You don't get ranked #1 or even top 5 accidentally. The school is doing things right.[/quote]

No Doubt the school is doing good...that is one of the reasons we all are applying here right?
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Any news of interview calls for Round 1 applicants from India?
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