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My general impression is that Ross is not sensitive to rankings. They let in a lot of people and give fellowships to people who didn't rank them #1.

Thanks method,..hope you're right. I guess its a good thing I ranked Tuck #1 if they're that sensitive,..OTOH,..looks like i can kiss Yale goodbye if its true about their sensitivity,...I ranked them 5/5.

But like others said...I'm a bit disappointed that the Consortium would publicize the rankings prior to admissions decisions,...seems a bit self-defeating. There is no point in applying to 6 schools if the ranking system means some of your applications will cannabilize others.

Accepted.com has an entire transcript about rankings and adcom's admit they see them. Jon Fuller said UofM actually physically places a black box over the rankings though, not sure what other policies are. Both my Yale and Darden apps clearly had the rankings, Haas may have too.
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Your Yale and Darden apps? You mean when you log in to the school's sites?
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.

Hi Cauxion,

Can you tell us the round and schools you've applied to, their rankings and your status? I ranked Johnson #2, and still have not received my invite :twisted: I received an invite from Indiana though, my #4.

I ranked Johnson #2 and was accepted with Scholarship consideration, I wouldn't worry about the ranking for that one.
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I know I ranked them pretty high but they still haven't called! :oops: I only have two invites and the last one I received almost 10 days ago from a non-Consortium school (Georgetown.)

I haven't received anything ever since! It's hard waiting for emails, and I'm looking at my gmail more often than I am looking at my work mail.. I am sure a lot of peeps around here do that too. It is bad :-D
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That's not true iamvolitant.. A few of us have been told explicitly by adcom's that they take a lower rank into "serious" consideration when it comes to admissions. I only come on the boards once a month, and that is only to virtually slap cheetarah around a little bit, so my information does not come from the boards. I was told explicitly by two different admissions committee members from two different schools. I had a 2 hour long conversation with one and the topic of why I ranked them so low was one of the main topics. I do believe they take a holistic approach, but all we are saying is that the rankings are a part of that approach, and depending on the school, the rankings are a very large piece of the puzzle. I think being aware of how schools handle the consortium applications, and perhaps adjusting your approach based on it should be taken into considersation when structuring your application.
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I'm looking at my gmail more often than I am looking at my work mail.. I am sure a lot of peeps around here do that too. It is bad :-D
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Same here
I got my gmail to pipe straight into my MS outlook at work.
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Anyone who applied RD2 heard anything from Berkeley, ucla, McCombs, or Emory?
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That's not true iamvolitant.. A few of us have been told explicitly by adcom's that they take a lower rank into "serious" consideration when it comes to admissions. I only come on the boards once a month, and that is only to virtually slap cheetarah around a little bit, so my information does not come from the boards. I was told explicitly by two different admissions committee members from two different schools. I had a 2 hour long conversation with one and the topic of why I ranked them so low was one of the main topics. I do believe they take a holistic approach, but all we are saying is that the rankings are a part of that approach, and depending on the school, the rankings are a very large piece of the puzzle. I think being aware of how schools handle the consortium applications, and perhaps adjusting your approach based on it are the best ways to approach this.
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If true,..this is disturbing indeed.

The Consortium really needs to examine this issue,..as I said earlier,..part of the Consortium's goal is to give minority students the financial leverage neccesary to get the best possible chance of entering B-School by making it affordable to apply to more than a couple of schools. It is self defeating to apply to 6 schools only to have some of those applications cannibalized by others due to the ranking system.

This needs to be addressed.
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Only login information for Haas.

Has anybody received interview invites for Darden R2?
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That's not true iamvolitant.. A few of us have been told explicitly by adcom's that they take a lower rank into "serious" consideration when it comes to admissions. I only come on the boards once a month, and that is only to virtually slap cheetarah around a little bit, so my information does not come from the boards. I was told explicitly by two different admissions committee members from two different schools. I had a 2 hour long conversation with one and the topic of why I ranked them so low was one of the main topics. I do believe they take a holistic approach, but all we are saying is that the rankings are a part of that approach, and depending on the school, the rankings are a very large piece of the puzzle. I think being aware of how schools handle the consortium applications, and perhaps adjusting your approach based on it are the best ways to approach this.

If true,..this is disturbing indeed.

The Consortium really needs to examine this issue,..as I said earlier,..part of the Consortium's goal is to give minority students the financial leverage neccesary to get the best possible chance of entering B-School by making it affordable to apply to more than a couple of schools. It is self defeating to apply to 6 schools only to have some of those applications cannibalized by others due to the ranking system.

This needs to be addressed.
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On the flip-side, this may help your chances at the schools you rank near the top. If they know they are your top choice, they may be more "willing" to admit you and offer you aid. I think this can go both ways.

Adcoms aren't myopic enough to think they are (or should be) *everyone's* top choice. The bschool recruiting process is about them selling the school to you as much as it is about you selling yourself to the school.
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Accepted.com has an entire transcript about rankings and adcom's admit they see them. Jon Fuller said UofM actually physically places a black box over the rankings though, not sure what other policies are. Both my Yale and Darden apps clearly had the rankings, Haas may have too.

Your Yale and Darden apps? You mean when you log in to the school's sites?
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Faro, that would be correct. All six schools ranked in order on each respective school's app.
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That's not true iamvolitant.. A few of us have been told explicitly by adcom's that they take a lower rank into "serious" consideration when it comes to admissions. I only come on the boards once a month, and that is only to virtually slap cheetarah around a little bit, so my information does not come from the boards. I was told explicitly by two different admissions committee members from two different schools. I had a 2 hour long conversation with one and the topic of why I ranked them so low was one of the main topics. I do believe they take a holistic approach, but all we are saying is that the rankings are a part of that approach, and depending on the school, the rankings are a very large piece of the puzzle. I think being aware of how schools handle the consortium applications, and perhaps adjusting your approach based on it are the best ways to approach this.
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I agree you, I've read from QA sessions with admissions that it definitely does get taken into account by some schools, and we both agree its part of the holistic process.

Maybe I could have explained better, but I said the only part that seems to be fabricated by the boards is the "Stern/Yale/XYZ doesn't accept anyone who ranked them lower than 2" idea, but correct me if you've discovered otherwise.

All I meant to say was, if you ranked them low, your application/interview better do a good job of making up for it, thats all.
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That's not true iamvolitant.. A few of us have been told explicitly by adcom's that they take a lower rank into "serious" consideration when it comes to admissions. I only come on the boards once a month, and that is only to virtually slap cheetarah around a little bit, so my information does not come from the boards. I was told explicitly by two different admissions committee members from two different schools. I had a 2 hour long conversation with one and the topic of why I ranked them so low was one of the main topics. I do believe they take a holistic approach, but all we are saying is that the rankings are a part of that approach, and depending on the school, the rankings are a very large piece of the puzzle. I think being aware of how schools handle the consortium applications, and perhaps adjusting your approach based on it are the best ways to approach this.

If true,..this is disturbing indeed.

The Consortium really needs to examine this issue,..as I said earlier,..part of the Consortium's goal is to give minority students the financial leverage neccesary to get the best possible chance of entering B-School by making it affordable to apply to more than a couple of schools. It is self defeating to apply to 6 schools only to have some of those applications cannibalized by others due to the ranking system.

This needs to be addressed.

On the flip-side, this may help your chances at the schools you rank near the top. If they know they are your top choice, they may be more "willing" to admit you and offer you aid. I think this can go both ways.

Adcoms aren't myopic enough to think they are (or should be) *everyone's* top choice. The bschool recruiting process is about them selling the school to you as much as it is about you selling yourself to the school.
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You're right,..thats the glass half full version. Unfortunately, i'm not an optimist by nature,...which makes the application process especially painful.
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Accepted.com has an entire transcript about rankings and adcom's admit they see them. Jon Fuller said UofM actually physically places a black box over the rankings though, not sure what other policies are. Both my Yale and Darden apps clearly had the rankings, Haas may have too.

Your Yale and Darden apps? You mean when you log in to the school's sites?

Faro, that would be correct. All six schools ranked in order on each respective school's app.
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The Yale one?? Mine doesn't even have the regular stuff I filled in, let alone the rankings. The formatting is way off, and it's missing so much information.

We're talking about the "proof" at the bottom of their status page, right?
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Calling All Fall 2012 Consortium Applicants! Updated on: 24 Jan 2012, 14:28
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The Yale one?? Mine doesn't even have the regular stuff I filled in, let alone the rankings. The formatting is way off, and it's missing so much information.

We're talking about the "proof" at the bottom of their status page, right?
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I don't think every applicant has the same info on the Darden/Yale app sites,.....and the info may change as well. When i first checked my Yale app online they only had my first gmat score,...then i checked 2 weeks later and they had both gmat scores. There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason to what shows up on your online app. Thats why they tell us to only use it for status notifications.

I think the fact that atleast one person here has seen his/her rankings on their Darden and Yale apps means Darden/Yale have everyone's rankings.
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Yeah ivol, we totally agree on that. You know what's funny? I had a friend who applied YEARS ago and he told me that this has been an issue for years. There was a concerted effort from Consortium alumni to get it changed, but I guess we are proof that the change has not occurred yet. He had to fight to convince Stern that he really wanted to go there. Then had to fight again to get the fellowship. He eventually got both, but he is still bitter about the process and tells me about it everytime we talk about b school.. Which is why we've been talking a lot about politics as of late! lol

Maaaan.. I have some JUICY details on the whole Consortium process. It's a lot more subjective than you think.
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I had my interview with Emory just after I submitted my application. I emailed my interviewer just the basic thanks, etc. and she responded. I haven't heard anything else, besides the login, but I wouldn't expect to until probably Feb. time frame.
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It looks like some R2 Darden invites have gone out already based on some posts in the Darden thread,...have ANY R2 Consortium applicants received invites from them? Do they invite Consortium applicants seperately like Ross does? Any info would be appreciated.
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Yeah ivol, we totally agree on that. You know what's funny? I had a friend who applied YEARS ago and he told me that this has been an issue for years. There was a concerted effort from Consortium alumni to get it changed, but I guess we are proof that the change has not occurred yet. He had to fight to convince Stern that he really wanted to go there. Then had to fight again to get the fellowship. He eventually got both, but he is still bitter about the process and tells me about it everytime we talk about b school.. Which is why we've been talking a lot about politics as of late! lol

Maaaan.. I have some JUICY details on the whole Consortium process. It's a lot more subjective than you think.
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Interesting...
I would hate to get rejected by 1,2 and 3 then have to fight for #4...
I really dont know what to think about this whole process. Awesome opportunity in some cases, but i'm a little uneasy with what i've heard back from other applicants.
Then again, I dont know of any application that's completely transparent, fair and void of arbitrary decisions.

I guess i'll know for sure when it's all said and done.

p.s. is anyone submitting FAFSA applications? I know schools can see every school to which you are sumitting, consortium or not. I wonder if that ever causes problems for some...
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I received a confirmation from Cornell that they received my app, but no invite! Anybody receive the same?
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Whoa Whoa Whoa....
I got an invite from Johnson 4 hours ago. How did i not find out until now?? crazy Gmail..

anyway, Sweet!
going to Consortium Interview Days Feb 9th and 10th!

My work is going to get suspicious of my sudden surge of vacations to the north east in the middle of the winter...
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Yeah ivol, we totally agree on that. You know what's funny? I had a friend who applied YEARS ago and he told me that this has been an issue for years. There was a concerted effort from Consortium alumni to get it changed, but I guess we are proof that the change has not occurred yet. He had to fight to convince Stern that he really wanted to go there. Then had to fight again to get the fellowship. He eventually got both, but he is still bitter about the process and tells me about it everytime we talk about b school.. Which is why we've been talking a lot about politics as of late! lol

Maaaan.. I have some JUICY details on the whole Consortium process. It's a lot more subjective than you think.
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Since we're on the topic I HATE how the Consortium asks for other schools outside of the Consortium that you are applying to. I don't see how that is relevant. If the Consortium wanted to know just for their own purposes, perhaps to encourage specific schools that were very popular among prospectives outside of the Consortium to join, they should do that through a survey and not through the general application that every school sees.

I spoke to AdCom at Tuck about the ranking system because I also heard that they were quite sensitive, especially when offering fellowships and they explained their reasoning to me. Tuck has a very unique environment and AdCom would prefer to have individuals who are extremely enthusiastic about Tuck rather than those who are only mildly interested in their class. Also notice Tuck's question-- why is Tuck the BEST school for you. If you answer that question then rank it 5th? You were lying and they don't like that.

Also, schools need to worry about their rankings. They want to be as efficient with their acceptances as possible-- meaning it doesn't look good for a school if they admit 100 individuals and 90 of them decline. That affects their rankings. So if, for example, an individual applies to 6 Consortium schools and a school is ranked 5th or 6th and they think the candidate has a good shot of getting into the 4 schools that were ranked higher than them they may deny you just to save face and for their own rankings. It makes sense when you think about it. Just a part of the application process/game.

It's definitely something that needs to be fixed. I think the Consortium needs to make rankings blind until "fellowship day" or whatever they call it when all of the schools get together in March.
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