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All,

It is slightly presumptuous of us to assume that rankings = dings, dongs, etc. But I'm going out on a limb here (and admitting I was wrong back in December) that for some schools rankings matter. I would love for this theory to be proven wrong. But last year's trend and this year's confirm NYU might be ranking sensitive. There are other schools, which I won't name right now... but there seems to be a trend emerging. I've said it many times if I had to press the rest button I would have done 3 - 4 schools via Consortium. And Jackson, I fully expect you to get off the waitlist and also get into several other schools.

Keep us updated with Interview Invites, Dings, Dongs and other updates folks!
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Has anyone heard anything from Emory by chance. I applied round 1 and interviewed back in November, haven't heard a word since.
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I thought schools don't see the rankings until after they admit you and it comes time to award the fellowships?

Your rankings come with the rest of your application :P They see it
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I thought they don't even see your Consortium membership essay/recommendation?
If they don't get to see that stuff, how do they see the rankings? The last printout/pdf of what the Consortium sends to every school showed *nothing* about ranking.

Do we have any written confirmation from the Consortium/member schools that they even see the rankings BEFORE admissions decisions are made?

I know they for sure see them after - it's used to determine which school can offer a fellowship - but I'm still not sold that they can see them before this point.
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I thought schools don't see the rankings until after they admit you and it comes time to award the fellowships?

Your rankings come with the rest of your application :P They see it

I thought they don't even see your Consortium membership essay/recommendation?
If they don't get to see that stuff, how do they see the rankings? The last printout/pdf of what the Consortium sends to every school showed *nothing* about ranking.

Do we have any written confirmation from the Consortium/member schools that they even see the rankings BEFORE admissions decisions are made?

I know they for sure see them after - it's used to determine which school can offer a fellowship - but I'm still not sold that they can see them before this point.
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I went to Discover Stern in October and the admissions officers admitted that they can see the rankings when you submit your app. Straight from the horse's mouth.
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They all definitely see the rankings, and they all make admisions decisions based on them. Some put more weight on their relative positon on your list than others, but they all take ranking into consideration when offering admission, scholarships and the consortium fellowship. This is not conjecture, this is pure fact. If they tell you otherwise, they are either flat out lying or they aren't apart of the admissions process.
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Tepper knew exactly what schools I had selected and the order of them. And it was a manual entry in their system because they put Michigan State in as the first entry instead of Michigan which is my first selection. They also do not have the entirety of my GRE school list, so there is no way to have known this information other than paperwork coming from Consortium.
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If so many schools are ranking sensitive and it can definitely impact admissions decisions I don't understand why the Consortium releases the rankings prior to the draft. It seems to throw applicants under the bus more often than not.

Do you think schools make their membership in the Consortium contingent on having access to the rankings up front?
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They all definitely see the rankings, and they all make admisions decisions based on them. Some put more weight on their relative positon on your list than others, but they all take ranking into consideration when offering admission, scholarships and the consortium fellowship. This is not conjecture, this is pure fact. If they tell you otherwise, they are either flat out lying or they aren't apart of the admissions process.
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What if you've been invited to interview? I just interviewed at Ross, but only had them 4th on my list. Does this mean I'm clear?
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.
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I hear you,....its just that if Ross was super sensitive to my ranking of them you would think they wouldn't bother extending an interview,...does that make sense? Maybe i'm just trying to comfort myself.

But this definitely makes the process that much more stressful!
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My general impression is that Ross is not sensitive to rankings. They let in a lot of people and give fellowships to people who didn't rank them #1.
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That's a good question cheet. I was wondering the same thing a few weeks ago. The consortium should be a little more transparent when it comes to this. I'm sure they get tons of inquiries from applicants regarding rankings and a schools sensitivity to them.
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My general impression is that Ross is not sensitive to rankings. They let in a lot of people and give fellowships to people who didn't rank them #1.
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Thanks method,..hope you're right. I guess its a good thing I ranked Tuck #1 if they're that sensitive,..OTOH,..looks like i can kiss Yale goodbye if its true about their sensitivity,...I ranked them 5/5.

But like others said...I'm a bit disappointed that the Consortium would publicize the rankings prior to admissions decisions,...seems a bit self-defeating. There is no point in applying to 6 schools if the ranking system means some of your applications will cannabilize others.
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They all definitely see the rankings, and they all make admisions decisions based on them. Some put more weight on their relative positon on your list than others, but they all take ranking into consideration when offering admission, scholarships and the consortium fellowship. This is not conjecture, this is pure fact. If they tell you otherwise, they are either flat out lying or they aren't apart of the admissions process.

What if you've been invited to interview? I just interviewed at Ross, but only had them 4th on my list. Does this mean I'm clear?
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.

I hear you,....its just that if Ross was super sensitive to my ranking of them you would think they wouldn't bother extending an interview,...does that make sense? Maybe i'm just trying to comfort myself.

But this definitely makes the process that much more stressful!
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I put Tepper #6 and got an invite.
Whether it means they do or dont care, I'm not sure

But now I'm glad I put them at #6 since they still invite applicants who ranked them so low
So I would defiitely consider it comforting if I were you.
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.
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Hi Cauxion,

Can you tell us the round and schools you've applied to, their rankings and your status? I ranked Johnson #2, and still have not received my invite :twisted: I received an invite from Indiana though, my #4.
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My general impression is that Ross is not sensitive to rankings. They let in a lot of people and give fellowships to people who didn't rank them #1.

Thanks method,..hope you're right. I guess its a good thing I ranked Tuck #1 if they're that sensitive,..OTOH,..looks like i can kiss Yale goodbye if its true about their sensitivity,...I ranked them 5/5.

But like others said...I'm a bit disappointed that the Consortium would publicize the rankings prior to admissions decisions,...seems a bit self-defeating. There is no point in applying to 6 schools if the ranking system means some of your applications will cannabilize others.
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Accepted.com has an entire transcript about rankings and adcom's admit they see them. Jon Fuller said UofM actually physically places a black box over the rankings though, not sure what other policies are. Both my Yale and Darden apps clearly had the rankings, Haas may have too.
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I couldn't tell you mooze... I don't know which schools weigh the rankings more.. I know Tuck and SOM are extremely sensitive about rankings. I keep hearing Stern is too but I don't know. Johnson definitely takes it into consideration as well. I can't comment on the rest of the schools. I ranked Johnson #4 and got in so I don't think there's a science to any of it.

Hi Cauxion,

Can you tell us the round and schools you've applied to, their rankings and your status? I ranked Johnson #2, and still have not received my invite :twisted: I received an invite from Indiana though, my #4.
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I ranked Johnson #2 and was accepted with Scholarship consideration, I wouldn't worry about the ranking for that one.
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My general impression is that Ross is not sensitive to rankings. They let in a lot of people and give fellowships to people who didn't rank them #1.

Thanks method,..hope you're right. I guess its a good thing I ranked Tuck #1 if they're that sensitive,..OTOH,..looks like i can kiss Yale goodbye if its true about their sensitivity,...I ranked them 5/5.

But like others said...I'm a bit disappointed that the Consortium would publicize the rankings prior to admissions decisions,...seems a bit self-defeating. There is no point in applying to 6 schools if the ranking system means some of your applications will cannabilize others.

Accepted.com has an entire transcript about rankings and adcom's admit they see them. Jon Fuller said UofM actually physically places a black box over the rankings though, not sure what other policies are. Both my Yale and Darden apps clearly had the rankings, Haas may have too.
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I second this. I spoke with an Ross AdCom member, and she told me specifically that they do have the rankings but they do not look at them in considering an applicant. UofM is the only school I've heard of that does this. On the other side I've heard the NYU and UCLA and extremely sensitive to their rankings.
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I applied in Consortium R1 and ranked them as follows:

1. Yale
2. Darden
3. Ross
4. Johnson

I got WL at Darden, like everyone else, I'm in at Johnson and I got interview invites at Ross and SOM. I wouldn't worry too much about the rankings though. I really think that if you have a strong app no ranking is going to stop you from getting the invite. I think rankings are taken more into consideration when it comes to so called "bubble" applicants... I am a bubble applicant so I know first hand.
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I wonder if "sensitive" school X truly says "we dont accept anyone who ranked us #3 or below". No school has ever said they dont accept rankings below two or three, that is something that seems to have been construed here on the boards.

My guess is that when they say they do take rankings into consideration, its part of the 'Holistic' process they all talk about, not a hard fast rule, for example:

Admissions Lady at "sensitive" School X - "Hmm, this applicant didnt do that great of a job answering the 'Why school X' essay... I wonder where this kid ranked us?" *checks application* "yep, he put us as 5th, probably just for the extra $25 cost, he doesnt really care about this school does he? Not worth our time."

Same school X looking at another applicant with same stats - "wow, this girl really wants to come to our school, her essay shows that she kows a lot about our programs, she ranked us as #5, but if theres a chance she doesnt get into her top 4, we would definitely take her, no reason to turn her down"

my guess is just that all of us did less research, visits, effort, essay revision etc. for our 4th 5th and 6th schools, which is pretty natural. While this might work with a safety school, the consortium schools are all really great top ranked schools, they can probably see this difference, and when the ranking you give confirms it, they probably push you aside.
If your essays, visits, and other efforts you made show otherwise, I bet the ranking is much less detrimental.
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