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214. Climatic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the weather.
(A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
(B) so gradual they can be indistinguishable
(C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
(D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
(E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them



219. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and


Can some one explain the usage of so as to with these 2 examples

Also Please Explain the answers for these Questions
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214. Climatic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the weather.
(A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
(B) so gradual they can be indistinguishable
(C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
(D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
(E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them



219. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and


Can some one explain the usage of so as to with these 2 examples

Also Please Explain the answers for these Questions


IMHO D and D.

For second question:

219. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to: "so as to" wrong usage: unidiomatic
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to:"so as to" wrong usage: unidiomatic
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they: here "they" is ambiguous
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can": OK, here they refers to workers directly.
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and: Who will care "employers" or "workers"..???

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for Q214 its not D
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For 214, I think it's C.
The idiom "so..... as to be...." is used correctly.

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Hey All,

Seems like there are some questions about the grammar here, so I thought I'd weigh in. This first one is tough, and I can't even say I'm 100% sure, but I'll give my reasoning and hope for the best! For a bit more info on this idiom, consider this comment thread: http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/man ... t2566.html.

214. Climatic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the weather.

(A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
ANSWER: This uses the idiom correctly. "So gradual as to be indistinguishable" is correct. We can say "His work is so famous as to be a cliché."

(B) so gradual they can be indistinguishable
PROBLEM: We need something after "gradual" to segue here. For example "that" or "as".

(C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
PROBLEM: No reason to use the passive voice on "distinguished", because we don't know who is doing the distingushing. Also, "they are unable" makes it sound like they're TRYING to be distinguished, and can't do it.

(D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
PROBLEM: There's no reason to use "enough" here. It marks a subtle shift in meaning. We want to emphasize that shikts are so gradual that we can't tell the difference between them and ordinary fluctuations. This version, with "enough", makes it sound very direct, as if there's some level of "gradual-ness" that makes shifts indistinguishable from ordinary fluctuations. Finally, putting the not in there instead of the word "indistinguishable" confuses things. It would be weird to say "I am tired enough not to be able to stay awake on my feet" as opposied to "I am tired enough to fall asleep on my feet".

(E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them
PROBLEM: Even worse than above. We still have enough, but we've also added an unnecessary pronoun ("one")

OKAY! One down...

BTW, this next one presents a different version of "so as to", for what it's worth. This one just means "in order to", which is different from the one above.

219. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.

(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
PROBLEM: Two issues. We need the idiom "requiring X to Y". This misses the "to". Also, "so as to care" makes it sound as if Congress is doing the caring.

(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
PROBLEM: This addresses the first issue mentioned above, but not the second.

(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
PROBLEM: This lacks the "to". Also, the idiom is "in order to", not "in order that".

(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
ANSWER: This has the "to", and correctly places the pronoun "they", so that we know it's the workers who will be caring for their children.

(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and
PROBLEM: Lacks the "to", and also sounds like Congress is doing the caring.

Hope that helps! (Also, in the future, please underline the section of the sentence at issue. It makes it easier to see where the answer choices go.)

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Often major economic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the financial markets.

A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
B) so gradual so that they can be indistinguishable
C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them

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so / enough ---> prefer so.

so is used to denote the extent of something

For example :
so beautiful as to be a gift to this world
so late that i missed the train
so diligent as to get the perfect score on gmat

so x as to be y ----> emphasizes x

Pick A.

I believe the moment you read choice C its already like a UFO. So junk it :-)

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Oh no, I picked the wrong OA. The OA is A! Thanks nusmavrik. I chose D. I see it's a matter of idiom usage.

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A is best.

The idiom is

so [adjective] as to [verb]. ==> A fits this....so [gradual] as to [be indistinguishable].

D and E are straight wrong.

C is wrong because 'economic shifts' cannot distinguish themselves.

B is wrong because...so X so Y...is no idiom.

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Seekmba, can you explain further why C is incorrect? It looks like the statement reads they are being distinguished by something else, not that they are distinguishing themselves
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whats wrong with C ?

So X, that y ? .. isn't it.. then whats wrong with C ?
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whats wrong with C ?

So X, that y ? .. isn't it.. then whats wrong with C ?


According to the GMAT rules, only animated objects are ABLE or UNABLE to do anything.
so even though choice C has absoultely no gramatical errors there, its unidiomatic from GMAT's perspective.

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yeah I thought it would be C too...sigh.
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Stuck with C and D ...........chose D and was initially happy that D was correct ......

A rejected because ....I thought .......so....as to be.... idiomatically wrong ...

felt .....enough was ok ..........rejected C only becaue of passive voice ......

If "so....as to be" is not a problem then its alright if its A

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Often major economic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the financial markets.

A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
B) so gradual so that they can be indistinguishable
C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
Economic shifts + able, logically unnatural

D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
I think ''enough to be indistinguishable'' would sound better, not idiomatic
E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them
Simply not idiomatic

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ImJun wrote:
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whats wrong with C ?

So X, that y ? .. isn't it.. then whats wrong with C ?


According to the GMAT rules, only animated objects are ABLE or UNABLE to do anything.
so even though choice C has absoultely no gramatical errors there, its unidiomatic from GMAT's perspective.


Hi,

Can you use an example to explain the point you cited above.. Thanks.. :)
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C is miles away from being correct. The difference lies in whether the action can really be performed by the doer.

A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable------> economic shifts did not cause the action. Something else indistinguished / distinguished them
C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished------> economic shifts themselves caused the action (wrong)

Look at similar SC - red-shift-83912.html
Again the difference lies in :
has been shifted - something else caused red shift (correct)
has shifted - light shifted on its own (wrong)

Hope this is clear now.
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whats wrong with C ?

So X, that y ? .. isn't it.. then whats wrong with C ?

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One more thing "unable to be" ------> this pattern is unidiomatic.

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Lot of information about SO X AS TO BE Y in above links - 214 A, 219 d

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