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Common Mistakes in Geometry Questions  Exercise Question #4A bigger circle (with center A) and a smaller circle (with center B) are touching each other externally. PT and PS are the tangents drawn to these circles from an external point (as shown in the figure). What is the length of ST? (1) The radii of the bigger and the smaller circles are 9 cm and 4 cm respectively (2) PB = 52/5 cm Answer ChoicesA. Statement (1) ALONE is sufficient, but statement (2) alone is not sufficient. B. Statement (2) ALONE is sufficient, but statement (1) alone is not sufficient. C. BOTH statements TOGETHER are sufficient, but NEITHER statement ALONE is sufficient. D. EACH statement ALONE is sufficient. E. Statements (1) and (2) TOGETHER are NOT sufficient. Common Mistakes in Geometry are explained in detail in the following post: Common Mistakes in Geometry Questions Detailed solution will be posted soon.
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Note: This questions is related to the article on Common Errors in GeometryKindly go through the article once, before solving the question or going through the solution. Official SolutionSteps 1 & 2: Understand Question and Draw InferencesGiven that PT is a tangent to the small circle and PS is a tangent to the big circle. ΔPTB and ΔPSA are right angled at T and S respectively. We need to find the length of ST. Step 3: Analyze Statement 1(1) The radii of the bigger and the smaller circles are 9 cm and 4 cm respectively. If we drop a perpendicular BD on side AS, we get: BDST is a rectangle (since all angles of this quadrilateral are right angles). Therefore, since opposite sides of a rectangle are equal, SD = BT = 4 cm This means, AD = 9 – 4 = 5cm In right triangle ADB, by applying Pythagoras Theorem, we get: B\(D^2\) + A\(D^2\) = A\(B^2\) That is, B\(D^2\) = (9+4\()^2\) – (5\()^2\) B\(D^2\) = (13+5)(135) Therefore, BD = 12 Since opposite sides of a rectangle are equal, ST = BD = 12 cm Since we have been able to determine a unique length of ST, Statement (1) is sufficient. Step 4: Analyze Statement 2(2) PB = 52/5 cm In right triangle BTP, we know the length of only one side: BP. In order to find the lengths of the other sides of this triangle, we need one more piece of information – either one of the two unknown angles, or one of the two unknown sides. Since we don’t have this information, we will not be able to find the lengths of the unknown sides of triangle BTP. Due to a similar reasoning, we will not be able to find the length of the sides of triangle ASP. So, we will not have enough information to find the length of ST. Therefore statement 2 is not sufficient to arrive at a unique answer. Since we got the answer from the first statement, Correct Answer: AThanks, Saquib Quant Expert eGMAT
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Hey Everyone, The official solution has been posted. Kindly go through it and if you have any doubts feel free to post your query. Thanks, Saquib Quant Expert eGMAT
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Hello,
I have a slight problem with your explanation as to why option 2 is wrong. The question states that we have the value of PB as 52/5. You have mentioned that we do not have the value of BT, but BT is the radius of the circle and is equal to 4. Using pythagoras theorem, we can find the value of PT.
Similarly, in the bigger triangle, we have the value of PA as 52/5 + 4 + 9, and the value of AS as 9, and applying pythagoras theorem, we can find the value of PS.
Subtracting the value of PS by PT, we can find the value of ST.
Therefore, I believe that the answer should be D, please let me know if there is something faulty in my deduction regarding statement 2.
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When you consider the second statement, you are not supposed to consider what is stated in the statement 1. In that case you won't know the radius of both the smaller and the bigger circle so statement 2 will remain insufficient only.Hence,answer A is right.
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EgmatQuantExpert wrote: A bigger circle (with center A) and a smaller circle (with center B) are touching each other externally. PT and PS are the tangents drawn to these circles from an external point (as shown in the figure). What is the length of ST? (1) The radii of the bigger and the smaller circles are 9 cm and 4 cm respectively (2) PB = 52/5 cm \(? = ST\) (1) Sufficient. Please follow the arguments below looking at the image attached. \(\Delta PTB\,\, \cong \,\,\,\Delta PSA\,\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered} \,\frac{4}{9} = \,\frac{{4 + {\text{aux}}}}{{9 + 4 + 4 + {\text{aux}}}}\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\,{\text{aux}}\,\,\,{\text{unique}}\,\,\,\,\,\mathop \Rightarrow \limits^{\left( * \right)} \,\,\,\,\,PT\,\,\,{\text{unique}} \hfill \\ \,\frac{9}{4} = \frac{{ST + PT}}{{PT}}\,\,\,\,\,\mathop \Rightarrow \limits^{PT\,\,{\text{unique}}} \,\,\,\,?\,\, = \,\,ST\,\,{\text{unique}}\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\,\,{\text{SUFF}}. \hfill \\ \end{gathered} \right.\) \(\left( * \right)\,\,\,\Delta PTB\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered} TB = 4 \hfill \\ \left( {{\text{4}}\,{\text{ + }}\,{\text{aux}}} \right)\,\,{\text{unique}} \hfill \\ \end{gathered} \right.\,\,\,\,\mathop \Rightarrow \limits^{{\text{Pythagoras}}} \,\,\,\,\,PT\,\,\,\,{\text{unique}}\) (2) Insufficient. We present the GEOMETRIC BIFURCATION in the image attached. This solution follows the notations and rationale taught in the GMATH method. Regards, Fabio.
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29 Oct 2018, 00:01
Dear all, I have a question : how do we know that P, T and S are all on the same line ? The text just says PT and PS are tangents, but according to the position of P, we could have tangents that are not aligned no ?
The text doesn't says it. Is it just based on the figure ? and the sentence " as shown in the figure" ?



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EricD28 wrote: Dear all, I have a question : how do we know that P, T and S are all on the same line ? The text just says PT and PS are tangents, but according to the position of P, we could have tangents that are not aligned no ?
The text doesn't says it. Is it just based on the figure ? and the sentence " as shown in the figure" ? OFFICIAL GUIDE:Problem SolvingFigures: All figures accompanying problem solving questions are intended to provide information useful in solving the problems. Figures are drawn as accurately as possible. Exceptions will be clearly noted. Lines shown as straight are straight, and lines that appear jagged are also straight. he positions of points, angles, regions, etc., exist in the order shown, and angle measures are greater than zero. All figures lie in a plane unless otherwise indicated. Data Sufficiency:Figures:• Figures conform to the information given in the question, but will not necessarily conform to the additional information given in statements (1) and (2). • Lines shown as straight are straight, and lines that appear jagged are also straight.• The positions of points, angles, regions, etc., exist in the order shown, and angle measures are greater than zero. • All figures lie in a plane unless otherwise indicated.
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Thanks a lot for this quick reply !



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Triangle PAS and triangle PBT are similar , AP/PB=SA/TB=PS/PT => (AP/PB)1=(SA/TB)1=(PS/PT)1 => AB/PB=5/4=ST/PT => PT/PB=ST/AB=5/4 @ eGMAT : Is the underlined step right ?



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BARUAH wrote: Triangle PAS and triangle PBT are similar , AP/PB=SA/TB=PS/PT => (AP/PB)1=(SA/TB)1=(PS/PT)1 => AB/PB=5/4=ST/PT => PT/PB=ST/AB=5/4 @ eGMAT : Is the underlined step right ? Hey BARUAH, can you provide a bit more details about how you are getting the value of AB/PB = 5/4?
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Can we approach this question through the following method join SB . So, BTS will be a rightangled triangle.BT= 4 (radius) as per the Pythagorian triplets only the combination of 3,4,5 is possible. So thus, ST can be determined. Bunuel VeritasKarishma EgmatQuantExpert daagh chetan2u gmatbusters



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breatheanddoit wrote: Can we approach this question through the following method join SB . So, BTS will be a rightangled triangle.BT= 4 (radius) as per the Pythagorian triplets only the combination of 3,4,5 is possible. So thus, ST can be determined. Bunuel VeritasKarishma EgmatQuantExpert daagh chetan2u gmatbusters Knowing one side of a right triangle is not enough to give the other two sides. Note that pythagorean triplets give only integral value triplets. A right angled triangle can have sides 4, 5, sqrt(41) or 4, 7, sqrt(65) or 4, 1, sqrt(17) and many more...
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