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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

(A) Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

(B) Although named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America.

(C) Named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America.

(D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.

(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932.

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This area is called a “land bridge,” although, at a thousand miles wide from north to south, it was more than just a bridge; ... spear points of an unusual design were found, characterized by longitudinal grooves, or flutes, chipped onto the faces of the points. ... Although they have been found all over North America, Clovis points are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

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Hi there,

Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932.

The contrast set by the original sentence is that Clovis Points have been found in all over the North America, but they are named for the New Mexico where they were first discovered in 1932. This contrast is correct.

So let’s proceed to the PoE now:

A. Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932. Correct. No errors.

B. Although named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America. Incorrect.
Notice the contrast this choice presents. It says although CPs are named for New Mexico site where…, they are spear points. This is not the intended contrast. The contrast is between where they have been found and for what they have been named. This sentence presents the contrast that says they are named for NM site but they look like this.

C. Named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America. Incorrect.

1. Use of present perfect tense “have been discovered” is incorrect to refer to an action that took place in 1932.

2. This sentence does not present any contrast.

D. Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.Incorrect.
1. There is only one verb for "Spear points…”. But still the choice is using “but”. This means there should be another verb here. Absence of this verb leads to fragment error.

E. While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Incorrect.

1. Per this sentence, the contrast is that CPs are spear points but they have been found all over the North America and are named for the NM site. This certainly is not the intended contrast.

Take Away

1. Understand the context of the sentence very well. Carefully notice the contrasts or comparisons made.

2. Assess if those contrasts or comparisons are logical or not.

3. Once you get the intended logical meaning, do the POE to find out which answer choice conveys the intended meaning in the best way.

Hope this helps.
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.

1. Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America,
- Colored one is the appositive describing the points
2. they are named for the New Mexico site
3. where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.

Nothing wrong in A

(A) Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces,have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.

(B) Although named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America.-- Meaning changed contrast should be between where they have been found and for what they have been named.

(C) Named for the New Mexico site where they have been ﬁrst discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America.-- with time frame simple past should be used, no contradictory clauses

(D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.- no verbs for subject clovis ; use of even though , but in same sentence makes it wrong

(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been ﬁrst discovered in 1932.- they named for-> wrong helping verb are , were required. also the meaning is changed

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Can you explain what you mean by "1. There is only one verb for "Spear points…”. But still the choice is using “but”. This means there should be another verb here. Absence of this verb leads to fragment error." for option D?

Hi there,

Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.

Carefully note the structure of this sentence. The subject here is Spear points. The verb for this subject is “were found”. But this verb is preceded by “but”. This means we have a contrast here. For that, we need one more verb for the subject then only we can join another verb with the same subject by using “but”. For example:

The coffee smells sweet but tastes bitter.

Here, we have two verbs for subject “The coffee” – “smells” and “tastes”. Because we have two verbs for the same subject and we are presenting contrast here, we join the two verbs with “but”.

However, there is a verb missing for Spear points.

Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932,but were found all over North America.

This is the structure of the independent clause. We have a verb missing here. This leads to fragment.

Hope this helps.
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

A) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
B) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
C) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

I am confused between A & B. Whats problem with B?

I'm happy to help.

Of course, this is OG13 SC#96.

As a general rule, a subordinate conjunction, such as "although" or "even though" or "while", should be followed by a full [noun] + [verb] structure. The GMAT doesn't like following a subordinate conjunction with simply a participial phrase, such as the participial phrase "named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932". It's tricky, because this structure is quite common in colloquial English ....
While sleeping, I ...
Although wasting time, he ....

Any of those might pass in colloquial speech, but they would be 100% wrong on the GMAT Sentence Correction. This is the problem with (B).

For participial phrases, see:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/participle ... -the-gmat/

For more on where verbs are needed:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... b-mistake/

Does all this make sense?

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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

1) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
2) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
3) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
4) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
5) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

In this case, A) actually sounded weird to me the first time, but as always if you cannot explicitly find flaws with the option, you keep it as a contender.

B) Im not sure, but I THINK "although" implies a subordinate clause, and thus the whole first sentence is fragmented. Therefore, grammatically incorrect.

C) Same problem with C as B, this time we seem to have a main clause that abruptly ends. The period should be a comma, and the whole rest of the sentence needs to be structured differently to make logical sense with the main clause (you'd end up with too many commas if you simply change the period to a comma).

D) The "but" at the end of the sentence does not make sense. What does "but" contrast, here? I also think "even though named" sounds weird in that context.

E) The unessential clause incorrectly starts with "they" instead of "which" (and even at that, I believe "which" would incorrectly refer to faces instead of Clovis points). Also, the "while" in the beginning makes it seem as if something is going to be contrasted, and the word "and" at the end is incorrectly used with this in mind.

Now, let's look at A again: The unessential clause that follows the introduction is correct, you do not need which in this case. "Have been" correctly refers to clovis points since clovis points is the last word before the unessential clause, "they" correctly refers to Clovis points since both of the clauses inbetween more or less simply describe our clovis points "EVEN THOUGH clovis points... have been found... THEY" is a correct structure. They does not refer to america because "even though" is contrasted by "they", and BOTH of them refer to clovis points.

A is correct
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Can you please explain why past perfect is incorrect in C? If they "have been discovered in 1932" -- doesn't that imply that they are still around after being discovered? Isn't that the purpose of "have been"?

Thanks!

Hi russ9,

You are absolutely correct in saying that the present perfect tense can be used for an event that was completed in the past and whose effect is still visible in the present. However that is not the case in the above question.
Let’s take a look at a few simple examples before we discuss the official question. Can you identify which of the following sentences are correct?

1. The invention of steam engine has made our lives easier.

2. The invention of steam engine made our lives easier.

3. The steam engine has been invented in the 18th century.

4. The steam engine was invented in the 18th century.

EXAMPLE 1 & 2

Both these sentences tell us about the effects of the invention of the steam engine. The invention happened at a certain point of time in the past that is not mentioned in the sentence. However the effects of the invention (making our lives easier) are visible in the present context. So, the correct way to represent this event is by using the present perfect tense. Hence, example 1 is correct.
The simple past tense ‘made’ represents that the invention made our lives easier at a certain point of time in the past.

EXAMPLE 3 & 4

Both these sentences tell us about an event (the invention of steam engine) that happened in the 18th century. Since it is clearly mentioned in the sentence when the event happened and the sentence does not talk about the effects of this event, the correct way to represent this event is by using the simple past tense. So, example 4 is correct.

OFFICIAL QUESTION

From the context of this question, it is clear that Clovis points were first discovered at a certain point of time in the past: i.e., in 1932. The first discovery itself does not extend into the present. So, the discovery of the Clovis points is an event that happened in 1932 and hence it should be represented using the simple past tense (were discovered).

Note that the use of the present perfect tense verb “have been found” is perfectly correct here. Since the action of finding the Clovis points is a continuous action that started in the past and has continued over the years, it is represented using the present perfect tense (have been found).

Hope this helps!

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PLs suggest split for getting quick solution to the question.

Hello Archit

Frankly, It's not easy to split 2:3 or 3:2 for this question. However, you can use signal words to eliminate wrong answers very quickly.

Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

1) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
Correct.

2) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
Wrong. phrase "are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces" is NOT main clause, because it does not reflect contrast meaning. Thus, it should be modifier only ==> Changes intended meaning.

3) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
Wrong. The contrast signal words such as even though, although... are "must have" here. ==> C does not reflect intended meaning.

4) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
Wrong. Even though...., but..... ==> absolutely wrong structure because of redundant (but).

5) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932
Wrong. "while" is incorrect use here. "them" refers to "spear points" or "faces" ==> very unclear.

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The original sentence has a “contrast” between the following information about Clovis points:
a) Clovis points have been found all over north America, but
b) they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932

However, most other choices change this contrast. For example,

2) reverses this contrast. It should not be: Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932; it should be: Although found all over north America

3) Does not mention contrast at all

4) again reverses the contrast. It should not be: even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932; it should be: even though Clovis points are found all over north America

5) Does not express the contrast at all. It should not be: While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them; it should be: While Clovis points are found all over north America……Also, I believe “while” does not express the contrast properly. Though/whereas/even though is more appropriate.
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Let me try to explain this :-

Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

1) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
2) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
3) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
4) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
5) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

In this sentence contrasting word are used Although, even though and while , these word should be followed by S-V not participle so Although named -->wrong , even though named -->wrong , even though , but within same sentence (See highlighted part )

Have been discovered is incorrect as have been used for some start in past and still continue to happen

So A wins
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

1) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
2) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
3) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
4) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
5) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

this question could be the most beautiful one and hardest on sc, which is typical of sc gmat.
why C is wrong

the pattern in C shows that "named....1932" is adverbial phrase which modifies the main clause. be default, do-ing or do-de phrases standing before the main clause show REASON, RESULT OR TIME of main clause. those phrase can not show the contrast with the main phrase. So, the meaning relationship in choice C is not logic.

if meaning realationship between noun and adjectival is distorted, we can see the illogicness easily. if, however, the meaning relationship between adverbial and main clause is distorted, it is hard for us to realize the illogicness.
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Hello,

In option A :

Isn't "they are named for the New Mexico site......in 1932" a noun-modifier ? If yes, then it is misplaced.

Doubt: Has it not been considered a modifier because it can stand alone as a sentence ? Can a modifier never stand alone as a sentence ?

Hi Parul,

Whenever in a structure, you find a Subject and a Verb, it becomes a clause. So let's see how many clauses do we have in this official sentence:

Cl. 1: Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America,
Cl. 2: they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

(blue = Subject, green = Verb)

So we have two subject pairs in this sentence and hence two clauses. The first clause is a Dependent Clause and the second one is an Independent Clause.

Now modifiers are generally not clauses. However, only Relative Pronoun Modifiers can form a clause or are followed by a clause. This is the only modifier that makes a clause. For example:

The boy who lives next door is very naughty.

As you can see, here the Relative pronoun modifier "who lives next door" is a clause and makes a Dependent Clause.

Hope this helps.
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

(A) Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

Correct

(B) Although named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America.

Fragmented sentence + usage of have been is not right + usage of "their" is wrong.

(C) Named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America.

Usage of "have been" is not right

(D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.

Wordy + fragmented sentence from even though

(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932.

Usage of Have is wrong + usage of "they" is wrong

Hence A
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.

(A) Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces,have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁ rst discovered in 1932. Correct

(B) Although named for the New Mexico site where ["they were" is missing] ﬁrst discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America.

(C) Named for the New Mexico site where they have been "have been" is incorrect tense ﬁ rst discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America.

(D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁ rst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America. Fragment

(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been ﬁrst discovered in 1932. The "while" in this sentence is not correct. Also, the last part of the sentence is a fragment.
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07 May 2015, 12:38
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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.

(A) Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces,have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were ﬁrst discovered in 1932.
looks good
Even though CP have been found all over NA, they are named ...
noun modifier used correctly

(B) Although named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over North America.
changes the meaning. now the focus is on what Clovis points are. this is not the intended meaning.

(C) Named for the New Mexico site where they have been ﬁrst discovered in 1932, Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over North America.
chipped onto the faces - whose faces? :D

(D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.
same error as in D
ooups, looks like Clovis points doesn't have a verb.

(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they have been ﬁrst discovered in 1932.
changes the meaning
have been discovered - present perfect not needed.
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05 May 2016, 05:19
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can anyone explain why option D is incorrect option?
Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.
The word but leaves the subject without a verb in the clause we expect before but.

Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.
This bit is incomplete. We need a subject verb combination after the where.

Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces, Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.
Using both even though and but makes no sense. The sentence is trying to say that even though X has been found in many different places, it is named for just one place.

Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces,Clovis points, even though named for the New Mexico site where ﬁrst discovered in 1932, but were found all over North America.
Are chipped could change the meaning, and the faces is not as good as their faces.
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18 May 2016, 12:05
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Why is it not called a run-on sentence?. I don't understand , can anyone please explain?.

Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.

This is not a run-on sentence. The sentence consists of a main clause and a subordinate clause:

Main clause: " they are named for the New Mexico site"
Subordinate clause: " Even though Clovis points have been found all over North America"

So the main sentence is as follows:
Even though Clovis points have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site.

Now two modifiers are inserted:
Modifier 1: Absolute phrase modifier: "spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces" referring to "Clovis points"
Modifier 2: Relative clause modifier: "where they were first discovered in 1932" referring to " Mexico site".

There are no 2 main clauses joined by a comma; hence it is not a run-on sentence.
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11 Sep 2016, 09:21
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The pronoun 'they' refers to what? is it 'Clovis points' or 'Faces'?
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"They" must refer to "Clovis points" because "their" cannot refer to "faces", and all "they" / "their" in a sentence must refer to the same antecedent. Moreover I have already explained to you in another post about pronoun ambiguity when there are two antecedents:
the-stars-some-of-them-at-tremendous-speeds-are-in-motion-54399-40.html#p1733788
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07 Oct 2016, 23:35
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mun23 wrote:
Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

A) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
B) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
C) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

I am confused between A & B. Whats problem with B?

I'm happy to help.

Of course, this is OG13 SC#96.

As a general rule, a subordinate conjunction, such as "although" or "even though" or "while", should be followed by a full [noun] + [verb] structure. The GMAT doesn't like following a subordinate conjunction with simply a participial phrase, such as the participial phrase "named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932". It's tricky, because this structure is quite common in colloquial English ....
While sleeping, I ...
Although wasting time, he ....

Any of those might pass in colloquial speech, but they would be 100% wrong on the GMAT Sentence Correction. This is the problem with (B).

Hi mike, I once excerpted following usage of (al)though, I am confused when read above,
Quote:
If you just have "(al)though + adjective", it should come in one of the following 2 places:
1/
In front of the entire sentence
(Al)though exhausted from work, Sarah still played with the dogs for two hours when she got home.
2/
After the subject (usually I've seen just "though" here, not "although")
The two men, though not trained as pilots, were able to land the plane safely.

appreciate if you can help to clarify further.

and I cross off B because "named for..." is not adjective, but adverbial phrase, it is break "1/", please confirm whether my approach is valid?

thanks a lot
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02 Mar 2017, 01:48
I have read the pronoun related posts and agree with you. I read one post of yours-

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-stars-some-of-them-at-tremendous-speeds-are-in-motion-54399-40.html#p1733791

Both "they" and "them" refer to "stars". A basic rule about pronouns is that all "they","them","their" and "theirs" must refer to the same antecedent. ( So is true for all he/him/his or she/her/hers etc.)

My query is not that the usage of the pronoun is ambiguous in this case. My query is - why "they" and "their" refers to different entities.

As I understand the meaning of the sentence, clovis point is subset of spear point, cloint and spear point are different, then why "their" refers to spear points while "they" refers to clovis points?

Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over North America, they are named for the New Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
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