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You're right; we don't want to say "where first discovered." I can use a similar construction as an adverbial modifier, but it doesn't make sense here, and I don't think any version with "where" would work. But I could say something like "When first discovered, the drug appeared promising."

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I have a quick follow-up question. Is "named for" an idiom? My ear wanted to say "named after" instead. Thank you for your time.

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Even though Clovis points, spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been round all over north America ,they are named for the new Mexico site where whey were first discovered in 1932

A) Even though Clovis points , spear points with longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces, have been found all over north America, they are named for the new Mexico site where they were first discovered in 1932.
B) Although named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932. Clovis points are spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto their faces and have been found all over north America .
C) Named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932. Clovis points, spear points of longitudinal grooves chipped onto the faces, have been found all over north America .
D) Spear points with longitudinal grooves that are chipped onto the faces ,Clovis points , even though named for the new Mexico site where first discovered in 1932, but were found all over north America .
E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them ,they have been found all over north America ,and named for the new Mexico site where they have been first discovered in 1932

I am confused between A & B. Whats problem with B?

I'm happy to help.

Of course, this is OG13 SC#96.

As a general rule, a subordinate conjunction, such as "although" or "even though" or "while", should be followed by a full [noun] + [verb] structure. The GMAT doesn't like following a subordinate conjunction with simply a participial phrase, such as the participial phrase "named for the new Mexico site where fist discovered in 1932". It's tricky, because this structure is quite common in colloquial English ....
While sleeping, I ...
Although wasting time, he ....
Because already tired, she ...
Any of those might pass in colloquial speech, but they would be 100% wrong on the GMAT Sentence Correction. This is the problem with (B).

For participial phrases, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/participl ... -the-gmat/

For more on where verbs are needed:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gram ... b-mistake/

Does all this make sense?

Mike

Thanks for your clarification Mike.Wanted to check if option B has Pronoun(They) ambiguity as well?Can you please help?

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Pronoun ambiguity is not commonly tested on the GMAT, but here it's definitely not an issue. We only have one plural noun to refer to: "Clovis points." It doesn't matter that we also say "spear points," since this is still referring to Clovis points. We can't have ambiguity if no matter how we read the sentence, "their" refers to the same objects. In any case, B is so full of errors that this is the last thing I'd look at.

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A belated response to woohoo921 :

Yes, "named for" is an acceptable idiom. It's more or less interchangeable with "named after." We can be pretty confident that any idiom used in the correct answer of an official question is going to be reliable.

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I'm happy to help.

Thanks for your clarification Mike.Wanted to check if option B has Pronoun(They) ambiguity as well?Can you please help?

Hello ahamd,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, there is no pronoun ambiguity in Option B; pronoun ambiguity does not apply if there is only one noun that the pronoun can logically refer to, as is the case here; "Clovis points" and "spear points" are the only logical referents for the pronoun "their", and since both nouns refer to the same things, there is effectively only one possible referent.

We hope this helps.
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Hey All,

i need clarification on choice E :
(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they "have been first discovered" in 1932.

is "have been first discovered" correct usage or it must be "were first discovered" , atleast that's why i eliminated E , so is my reason correct/valid ?

Dear experts please help! thanks.

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You're exactly right. "In 1932" is a specific moment in the past, so we'd need a past tense verb. Totally valid reason to get rid of (E).

One small note on the usage here: if an action happened in the past and the effects impact the present, you could, in theory, still use the present perfect. For instance, "Tim insists that he has discovered a cure for bunions" is a valid construction, even though it wouldn't make much sense to say he's still discovering this cure now.

However, we can't use present perfect if we've specified a time period in the past. So "Tim insists that he has discovered a cure for bunions in 1998" is wrong, for the same reason (E) is wrong.

All to say: nice work!

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i need clarification on choice E :
(E) While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over North America, and named for the New Mexico site where they "have been first discovered" in 1932.

is "have been first discovered" correct usage or it must be "were first discovered" , atleast that's why i eliminated E , so is my reason correct/valid ?

Another thing that may help with spotting some weirdness in (E) is cutting it shorter.

->While Clovis points are spear points whose faces have longitudinal grooves chipped into them, they have been found all over America.

Even if you give the WHILE a pass and think of it as ALTHOUGH, fair to say the meaning the sentence introduces to that point is a little awkward.

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