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I have already tried this way and although it seems right, it doesn't give the right answer. See below:

a. All 5 Distinct = 10C5 x 5! = 30240

b. 3 distinct, 2 of one kind = 10C3 X 7C1 X (5!/2!) = 8400

c. 2 of type1, 2 of type2, and a remaining solo = 10800

10800+8400+30240 = 49400

Another way that I considered was to calculate the complementary set: 10^5 - all possible codes, and deduct the number of ways to comprise a code with a digit that repeats 3 times, 4 times and 5 times. (It didn't work as well).

Sorry but I don't understand your answer. According to the question, no digit can be used more than twice. Then shall the answer be 10C5 = 30,240??? Please explain. Thanks

phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.
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can someone help me here? I do not understand why we are multiplying 5! here? Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

i thought selecting 5 digits out of 10 would be just 10C5 .Am i missing anything?

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phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

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can someone help me here? I do not understand why we are multiplying 5! here? Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

i thought selecting 5 digits out of 10 would be just 10C5 .Am i missing anything?

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

Yes, the number of way to select 5 digits out of 10 is 10C5. But these 5 digits can be arranged in 5!=120 ways, each of which gives different code. Hence the number of codes for this case is 10C5*5!.

One could also do 10P5 (which is basically the same as 10C5*5!): selecting 5 digits out of 10, when the order of the selection matters.

can someone help me here? I do not understand why we are multiplying 5! here? Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

i thought selecting 5 digits out of 10 would be just 10C5 .Am i missing anything?

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

Yes, the number of way to select 5 digits out of 10 is 10C5. But these 5 digits can be arranged in 5!=120 ways, each of which gives different code. Hecen the number of codes for this case is 10C5*5!.

One could also do 10P5 (which is basically the same as 10C5*5!): selecting 5 digits out of 10, when the order of the selection matters.

Hope it's clear.

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phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

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I did it in 3 cases just like you.

Case1 (abcde): 10*9*8*7*6 = 30240 ways Case 2 (aabcd): 10*10*9*8*7 = 50400 ways Case 3 (aabbc): 10*10*9*9*8 = 64800 ways (Shouldn't this case has more ways than 2 cases above?)

Total = 30240 + 50400 + 64800 = 145400 ways

As you can see, your case 3 has a problem. There are 10 ways of writing the leftmost digit - correct Then there are 10 ways of writing the next digit - correct For the next digit, there could be 9 ways or there could be 10 ways depending on what was chosen previously: e.g 22 __ __ __ - here there are 9 ways of choosing the next digit. 23 __ __ __ - here there are 10 ways of choosing the next digit. Both 2 and 3 can be repeated as opposed to case 2 where only one digit can be repeated. Hence, don't do the question this way. Choose the repeated digits and then arrange as I have done above. Note that there will be far fewer cases here because 2 digits will be repeated so fewer different digits will be there. So the number of arrangements will be fewer.

Now think, why does case 2 work but case 3 does not.
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

Hi, could you please specify the logic for 2nd and 3rd cases. 2nd case: I do not grasp the logic why you're counting 10C1 only once as long as we have assume that 2 digits are the same? And what is the rationale for using 5!/2! to arrange, why do we have a 2! in denominator? I'd rather used 3! to arrange remaining 3 distinct digits. 3d case: Actually the same questions as above. I'd rather used 10C2 for the first pair of the same digits, then 8C2 for second pair of the same digits, and then 6C1 for the last one then arrange in 5!. Would appreciate for explanation. P.S. I'm not stable at computations. Some problems are solved smoothly however others like this one makes me stuck for many minutes...

phamduyha: The question says 'no digit should be used more than twice' which means that a digit can be used at most 2 times. So you have to take 3 cases:

Case 1: All digits distinct Select 5 digits out of 10 in 10C5 ways and arrange them in 5! ways which gives us 10C5x5! = 30240

Case 2: Two digits are same, other 3 are dictinct e.g. 45722 Select a digit which is to be repeated in 10C1 ways, select other 3 digits in 9C3 ways and arrange them in 5!/2! ways to get 10C1 x 9C3 x 5!/2! = 50400 ways

Case 3: Two digits repeated and one other digit e.g. 33448 Select 2 digits to be repeated in 10C2 ways, select the single digit in 8C1 ways and arrange them all in 5!/2!.2! ways to get 10C2 x 8C1 x 5!/2!.2! = 10800

Sum of all = 30240 + 50400 + 10800 = 91440 ways

Generally, actual GMAT questions will not be calculation intensive since you are required to solve them in under 2 mins.

Hi, could you please specify the logic for 2nd and 3rd cases. 2nd case: I do not grasp the logic why you're counting 10C1 only once as long as we have assume that 2 digits are the same? And what is the rationale for using 5!/2! to arrange, why do we have a 2! in denominator? I'd rather used 3! to arrange remaining 3 distinct digits. 3d case: Actually the same questions as above. I'd rather used 10C2 for the first pair of the same digits, then 8C2 for second pair of the same digits, and then 6C1 for the last one then arrange in 5!. Would appreciate for explanation. P.S. I'm not stable at computations. Some problems are solved smoothly however others like this one makes me stuck for many minutes...

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How do you arrange something like 11234? Note that 12314, 21341 etc are all valid arrangements. How do you arrange n things in which r are the same? You use n!/r!.

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