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For over two centuries, no one had been able to make Damascus blades—b

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zoezhuyan wrote:
Hi mikemcgarry, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja, MagooshExpert Carolyn, sayantanc2k,
I am afraid i am still confused.
Honestly speaking, i did picked up B, my reasoning is as following:

The conclusion is : trace impurities in the iron are essential for the production of Damascus blades.
My interpretation of "essential" is necessary, it is impossible to produce Damascus blades without trace impurities. in a short, no trace impurities, no production.

per answer choice B, The iron with which the contemporary sword maker made Damascus blades came from a source of iron that was unknown two centuries ago.
1) if B is true, the source was unknown two centuries ago, in other words, no source,
2) as the prompt says, no one had been able to make Damascus blades, in other words , no production.
based on 1) and 2), no source, no production.

Per answer choice D, Production of Damascus blades by sword makers of the past ceased abruptly after those sword makers' original source of iron became exhausted
it is also "no source, no production".

I know there is impossible have two answer choice on GMAT. So i picked up randomly.
I known i am wrong, but i have no idea where is incorrect
Please help clarify,
Thanks in advance

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Hi zoezhuyan!

Happy to help :-)

First of all, great job narrowing down the essential parts of the argument! As you said, the key here is "no trace impurities, no production". In order to have those trace impurities, we either need the same source of iron as the original, or a similar source of iron with the same impurities.

Now, choice B says that the source of iron that was used in the new blades was unknown two centuries ago, when the old blades were made. This is actually the opposite of what we want. Remember that in order to make this blade, we need the same source of iron, or a similar one. If the iron used in the new blades was unknown when the original blades were made, then it probably isn't the same source, with the same impurities. So B actually weakens the argument, not strengthens it, since it basically tells us that the iron sources made to create the blades were not the same, and therefore likely did not have the same trace impurities (or at the very least, we don't know whether or not they did).

So D is the correct answer :-)

Does that make sense? If not, let me know! :-)
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zoezhuyan wrote:
Hi mikemcgarry, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja, MagooshExpert Carolyn, sayantanc2k,
I am afraid i am still confused.
Honestly speaking, i did picked up B, my reasoning is as following:

The conclusion is : trace impurities in the iron are essential for the production of Damascus blades.
My interpretation of "essential" is necessary, it is impossible to produce Damascus blades without trace impurities. in a short, no trace impurities, no production.

per answer choice B, The iron with which the contemporary sword maker made Damascus blades came from a source of iron that was unknown two centuries ago.
1) if B is true, the source was unknown two centuries ago, in other words, no source,
2) as the prompt says, no one had been able to make Damascus blades, in other words , no production.
based on 1) and 2), no source, no production.

Per answer choice D, Production of Damascus blades by sword makers of the past ceased abruptly after those sword makers' original source of iron became exhausted
it is also "no source, no production".

I know there is impossible have two answer choice on GMAT. So i picked up randomly.
I known i am wrong, but i have no idea where is incorrect
Please help clarify,
Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
>_~


Hi zoezhuyan!

Happy to help :-)

First of all, great job narrowing down the essential parts of the argument! As you said, the key here is "no trace impurities, no production". In order to have those trace impurities, we either need the same source of iron as the original, or a similar source of iron with the same impurities.

Now, choice B says that the source of iron that was used in the new blades was unknown two centuries ago, when the old blades were made. This is actually the opposite of what we want. Remember that in order to make this blade, we need the same source of iron, or a similar one. If the iron used in the new blades was unknown when the original blades were made, then it probably isn't the same source, with the same impurities. So B actually weakens the argument, not strengthens it, since it basically tells us that the iron sources made to create the blades were not the same, and therefore likely did not have the same trace impurities (or at the very least, we don't know whether or not they did).

So D is the correct answer :-)

Does that make sense? If not, let me know! :-)
-Carolyn


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A)There are surface features of every Damascus blade—including the blades produced by the contemporary sword maker—that are unique to that blade.
if surface feature is unique to every blade, it is impossible to conclude tracess is only enough. hence weakening

B) The iron with which the contemporary sword maker made Damascus blades came from a source of iron that was unknown two centuries ago.
it says its a different iron source. which will not produce same blade. hence weakening

C) Almost all the tools used by the contemporary sword maker were updated versions of tools that were used by sword makers over two centuries ago.
if tools are what make blades unique, then iron quality is not required. its weakening.

D) Production of Damascus blades by sword makers of the past ceased abruptly after those sword makers' original source of iron became exhausted.
blades are only made up of unique kind of iron. finding iron with similar quality is what necessary. hence it is correct

E) Although Damascus blades were renowned for maintaining a sharp edge, the blade made by the contemporary sword maker suggests that they may have maintained their edge less well than blades made using what is now the standard process for making blades.
its discussing abt other feature. its not relevant
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I found this difficult. I won't breakdown the argument as others have already done so.

Here is my logic I applied to eliminate the ACs and get to the correct answer.

A) There are surface features of every Damascus blade—including the blades produced by the contemporary sword maker—that are unique to that blade.
Blade style is irrelevant. This does not lend credibility to the hypothesis. The blades could vary in their surface whether or not trace impurities are present. Eliminate

B) The iron with which the contemporary sword maker made Damascus blades came from a source of iron that was unknown two centuries ago.

Source of Iron is irrelevant. The argument is based on the fact that impurities + iron used today are equal to those used historically. Eliminate

C) Almost all the tools used by the contemporary sword maker were updated versions of tools that were used by sword makers over two centuries ago.
Tools used are irrelevant.Eliminate

D) Production of Damascus blades by sword makers of the past ceased abruptly after those sword makers' original source of iron became exhausted.
Once the sword makers lost access to the original source of iron, which contains trace impurities, they were unable to make the blades. Therefore, one can infer that the impurities were essential to production

E) Although Damascus blades were renowned for maintaining a sharp edge, the blade made by the contemporary sword maker suggests that they may have maintained their edge less well than blades made using what is now the standard process for making blades.
Blade sharpening -- Irrelevant. Eliminate
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New post 23 Aug 2019, 06:08
simple cause and effect question


take out the cause, effect is gone.
D precisely does that
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what is Trace Impurities ? I search 30 min but I cannot find out exact meaning ...
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