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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided,

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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

Hi mikemcgarry,

Can you please explain why options C, D and E are wrong. I am not clear with these 3. Though I have tried to explain these 3 options below.

My Understanding :

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
each here refers to shades correctly and provides further information what these dwellings are comprised of. Sounds OK

(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
The usage of that are being means that the arrow weeds are currently supported by posts set in a rectangle. That is not the intended meaning. So, incorrect.

(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
Usage of 'with each' sounds awkward to me, using only each instead serves the purpose. Usage of being is also not correct in this sentence because it is neither used as a passive progressive verb or as a noun.

(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
this suggests that dwellings are with roofs of poles and arrowweed. This meaning is non sensical. Instead the intended meaning is that dwellings each consist of a roof and arrowhead.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
similar issue as option D.

Thanks.
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Dear aceGMAT21 Varun,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is a great question, and clearly (A) is the best answer.

(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
It may be that the present tense is implied, but the big problem is that this is very awkward. Introducing the word "being" more often than not produces very awkward-sounding constructions. This one sounds so bad that it should be taken out back and shot.

(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
Again, the appearance of "being" makes this very awkward-sounding. Also, in (C)-(E), the "with" introduction is awkward: these dwellings aren't "with" a roof--they are a roof! The appositive phrase, in (A), is so much more natural.

(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
This also has the problematic "with" and the "to be supported" implies some kind of imperative, as if God has commanded these roofs to be set on poles. The entire connotation is very strange and very different from the descriptive tone of the prompt.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
This also has the problematic "with" and it is simply clumsy and awkward. This is the opposite of elegance.

All four of these are clearly wrong, and (A) is superb. This is such a great question. As someone who rights practice questions for a living, I am always in awe of the official question.

Does all this make sense?
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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

Hi mikemcgarry,

Can you please explain why options C, D and E are wrong. I am not clear with these 3. Though I have tried to explain these 3 options below.

My Understanding :

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
each here refers to shades correctly and provides further information what these dwellings are comprised of. Sounds OK

(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
The usage of that are being means that the arrow weeds are currently supported by posts set in a rectangle. That is not the intended meaning. So, incorrect.

(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
Usage of 'with each' sounds awkward to me, using only each instead serves the purpose. Usage of being is also not correct in this sentence because it is neither used as a passive progressive verb or as a noun.

(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
this suggests that dwellings are with roofs of poles and arrowweed. This meaning is non sensical. Instead the intended meaning is that dwellings each consist of a roof and arrowhead.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
similar issue as option D.

Thanks.
-Varun

Dear aceGMAT21 Varun,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is a great question, and clearly (A) is the best answer.

(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
It may be that the present tense is implied, but the big problem is that this is very awkward. Introducing the word "being" more often than not produces very awkward-sounding constructions. This one sounds so bad that it should be taken out back and shot.

(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
Again, the appearance of "being" makes this very awkward-sounding. Also, in (C)-(E), the "with" introduction is awkward: these dwellings aren't "with" a roof--they are a roof! The appositive phrase, in (A), is so much more natural.

(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
This also has the problematic "with" and the "to be supported" implies some kind of imperative, as if God has commanded these roofs to be set on poles. The entire connotation is very strange and very different from the descriptive tone of the prompt.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
This also has the problematic "with" and it is simply clumsy and awkward. This is the opposite of elegance.

All four of these are clearly wrong, and (A) is superb. This is such a great question. As someone who rights practice questions for a living, I am always in awe of the official question.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Thanks for the explanation Mike. :) Though I have one question here.

The prepositional modifier "with...." can be used as a verb modifier to depict the meaning "accompanied by".

For example, I came here with a lot of hope.... ( "with a lot of hope" modifies "came" correctly).

So, similar to this usage in the question at hand,
For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are ......

here, "with roofs of poles and arrowweed" modifies the verb "lived" which is NON SENSICAL and is not the implied meaning. mikemcgarry, is this reasoning of elimination correct? What do you say?

Thanks.
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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrow weed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrow weed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrow weed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrow weed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrow weed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrow weed that are



After Mike's odyssey into the adverbial and adjectival use of the propositional modifier ''with', the genuine intention of GMAT Prep's topic could be to see, whether we could solve it in less arduous terms.
My road to Rome, therefore, would be
(A) each a roof of poles and arrow weed-- correct
(B) each a roof of poles and arrow weed that are being - "that are being" is wrong here to denote something that happened long ago.
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrow weed---" being" is used neither as a part of a subject or subject phrase nor as a part of a passive voice verb. Hence, wrong.
(D) with roofs of poles and arrow weed to be -- "to be" means the roofs or the poles are still to be supported --- This is absurd.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrow weed that are--- Same tense error as in B

What remains is just A, which avoids all the errors found in the other four choices. More importantly, we have somehow scuttled the hassle of the 'with'

Thanks to Mike for his elucidation of the concept of 'with" and a deserving kudos to him.
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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are



abhimahna, could you help me out with option A and C?
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abhimahna, could you help me out with option A and C?


Hey shivamtibrewala ,

The usage of "with" is incorrect in option C. With means one thing is accompanied with 2nd thing.

But as per the meaning of the sentence, we are further describing the shades by saying "each a roof of poles and arrowweed". So, by using with, C implies "One thing with the same thing". This is incorrect.

Does that make sense?
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Hello mikemcgarry,

I still do have doubts about usage of each vs with out here. And in my opinion "with" looks to be more appropriate one .

1. Either each or with , both of them are modifying noun that is "shades" out here. SO Rather than to say "shades are a roof of poles and arrowweed", its sounds more logical to say "shades with a roof of poles and arrowweed". Shades are not roof of poles and arrowweed rather they are made of it.

2. Either of modifier (verb-ed or that followed by clause) followed by arrowweed is modifying arrowweed only. SO both of them looks good out here.

Will you please suggest about above points and clarify incase I am still missing anything.
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vivektripathi wrote:
For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are


"that are being" in choice B, "being" in choice C , "to be" in choice D, and "that are " in choice E is incorrect because they are unparalel to any previous phrase or redundant.

in choice C, "with each..." can not modiy "shades" because it is not logic. "with each..." can not modify the preceding clause logically. C is wrong

the following point, I am not certain.
in choice D and E, "with roofs..." can not modiy the preceding noun because of the comma. if it modifies "shades", no comma is needed. it must modify the preceding verb. but this modification is not logic.
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