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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
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Thanks for the explanation Mike. :) Though I have one question here.

The prepositional modifier "with...." can be used as a verb modifier to depict the meaning "accompanied by".

For example, I came here with a lot of hope.... ( "with a lot of hope" modifies "came" correctly).

So, similar to this usage in the question at hand,
For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are ......

here, "with roofs of poles and arrowweed" modifies the verb "lived" which is NON SENSICAL and is not the implied meaning. mikemcgarry, is this reasoning of elimination correct? What do you say?

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Dear aceGMAT21 Varun,

My friend, I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, first I will specify something hyper-technical, far beyond what you need to know for the GMAT. The proposition "with" can be used as a verb modifier to indicate accompaniment, means, materials, or manner.
I cooked dinner with my friend = accompaniment (person who is with me)
I cooked dinner with my biggest pot = means (the tool I use)
I cooked dinner with three cloves of garlic = materials (the stuff I use)
I cooked dinner with great anticipation = manner (my mood)
BTW, putting two of those different usages in parallel creates a spectacular logical error known as a zeugma:
I cleaned the floor with a mop and with my friend Chris.
You definitely do not need to know that word: fewer than 1% of the entire population knows that word!

So, yes, you are 100% correct that the "with" preposition could be used in one of these ways.

I will say that, often, when the "with" preposition denotes not an additional person but an addition part or piece of something, it is more common for this to appear as a noun modifier:
I bought a car with white-walled tires.
There, the "with" preposition modifies the noun "car."

In this particular sentence, I would say that we have a wrong-each-way kind of situation. On the one hand, you are 100% correct: if we choose to read "with roofs of poles and arrowweed" as a verb modifier, then it is nonsensically trying to modify "lived," which defies all logic. On the other hand, if we try to read it as a noun modifier, modifying "shades," then this seems to be making the mistake of saying [thing] "with" [the same thing]! The fact that the appositive phrase works so well in (A) is an indication that a "with" relationship is not appropriate: if we can say the appositive [P], [Q], implicitly equating [P] and [Q], then it would be 100% wrong to say [P] "with" [Q}.
I bought a new car, a Ford Mustang. = correct appositive structure
I bought a new car with a Ford Mustang. = abominably wrong
My friend has a pet, a Persian cat. = correct appositive structure
My friend has a pet with a Persian cat. = abominably wrong

So, this is quite a spectacular mistake: it is flamboyantly wrong in two completely different ways!

Does all this make sense, my friend?

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In "that" and "which" modifies immediate noun/pronoun before them. In this case "that" is modifying "arrowweed" and I do not think logic of sentence requires just arrowweed to be supported rather whole roof supported. Moreover "arrowweed" is singular and cannot be referred as that are rather that is.

IMO D. Please confirm the answer.
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I agree with the explanation for why E is wrong. However, I think the answer should be A.

"each" refers to the shades.

IMO A
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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

Why it shouldn't be E -with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are???


Should be A.

What referes to "that"? a roof of poles and arrowweed? nope. arrowweed? yup but thats not correct use of "that".

In general, I have found modifying phrase with "with" is normally incorrect.
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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

Why it shouldn't be E -with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are???


arroweed that are is incorrect in E

Again eliminate C,D and E since with usage is wrong here,since shades are defined after coma here .
A,B left out and hence A is the correct answer
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For c/d/e, "with" implies that that Mojave lived with roofs of poles, not flat-topped dwellings with roofs of poles. So with a and b left, b is awkward with 'being' and the best choice is A
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In "that" and "which" modifies immediate noun/pronoun before them. In this case "that" is modifying "arrowweed" and I do not think logic of sentence requires just arrowweed to be supported rather whole roof supported. Moreover "arrowweed" is singular and cannot be referred as that are rather that is.

IMO D. Please confirm the answer.



I just want to makea point that "are" is refering correclty to the compunded subject.

IMO A
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308. For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

I think E is correct.. but it is not.. what is wrong with E?


"With roofs..." modifies "The Mojave lived", not "dwellings", that is why E wrong!
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308. For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

I think E is correct.. but it is not.. what is wrong with E?


"With roofs..." modifies "The Mojave lived", not "dwellings", that is why E wrong!


OA is A, but my question is each a roof.... modifies the shades.. but shades are not a roof..but has a roof ... So it should be wrong.. Am i wrong?
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I think in this case the key to solve the problem is to realize that 'arrowweed' is a sort of plant (Google it). So A is the only right description of what the 'shape' exactly is.
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308. For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

I think E is correct.. but it is not.. what is wrong with E?


"With roofs..." modifies "The Mojave lived", not "dwellings", that is why E wrong!


OA is A, but my question is each a roof.... modifies the shades.. but shades are not a roof..but has a roof ... So it should be wrong.. Am i wrong?


I think that the modifier is the whole of "each a roof of poles and arrowweed [/u]supported by posts set in a rectangle". Not just the roof component. This modifies "flat-topped dwellings known as shades".

So the modifier describes the whole dwelling, and shades is what the dwelling is known as so A is accurate.
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The place is "open sided", so it is just a roof and thatz what the author wants to emphasize on. Hence it is A.
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308. For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed correct
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being usage of are changes the tense
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed incorrectly modifies shades
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be incorrectly modifies shades
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that areusage of are changes teh tense
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Could anyone please explain why C is wrong?



Because of the use of "being", I think.

The original sentence is in past tense.
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Could anyone please explain why C is wrong?


Hi,

Prepositional modifiers have always been onne of the most controversial modifiers, as they can modify a NOUN, a VERB or a complete Clause. In situations like the ones posed by option C, it is best to use Logic and meaning clarity to judge the use of the prepositional modifier.
Another thing to keep in mind that a prepositional modifier when modifies a NOUN, it may reflect either a sense of belonging or copanionship.
Ex:
Ram went to park, with Ravi. (companionship)
Ram painted with a pen. (Belonging)

With option C in place, the sentence becomes :-
For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

"with each..." can modify a NOUN ( "shades" ) or the complete independent clause.
Assuming it is modifying the NOUN ( "shades" ), we can logically conclude that this makes no logical sense. Shades "with" (either companion or belonging) "their being blah blah...".
Again, assuming "with each..." modifies the preceding independent clause, we can see that the meaning of the sentence becomes more nonsensical.

So, the option C is definitely a NO GO.

Answer should be A.
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308. For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.
(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

I think E is correct.. but it is not.. what is wrong with E?


If you have a closer look at E -
WITH is trying to connect two independent clauses. This is wrong since it is not one of those FANBOYS conjunction.
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if we do not know the sentence patterns, we can not solve this problem.

knowing the sentence patterns is the most basic thing, any user of english needs to know and gmat tests this poin because this is basic. gmat is basic
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comma + "with" explains how the action in the previous clause was performed.
Here, from the context it is clear that we have describe "shades" and not explain how they "lived" (action in the previous clause)
So, B, C and E are out.

A. each a roof of poles and arrowweed
This explains that each shade had a roof of poles and arrowweed (i dont know what "arrowweed" means, but it could possibly be a noun because it is connected to poles by "and") and retains the past tense by just using "supported"

B. each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
The 1st part of the sentence is in the past tense, so past tense is preferred.
It should have been "that were supported" and not "that are being supported"

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For protection from the summer sun, the Mojave lived in open-sided, flat-topped dwellings known as shades, each a roof of poles and arrowweed supported by posts set in a rectangle.

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are

Hi mikemcgarry,

Can you please explain why options C, D and E are wrong. I am not clear with these 3. Though I have tried to explain these 3 options below.

My Understanding :

(A) each a roof of poles and arrowweed
each here refers to shades correctly and provides further information what these dwellings are comprised of. Sounds OK

(B) each a roof of poles and arrowweed that are being
The usage of that are being means that the arrow weeds are currently supported by posts set in a rectangle. That is not the intended meaning. So, incorrect.

(C) with each being a roof of poles and arrowweed
Usage of 'with each' sounds awkward to me, using only each instead serves the purpose. Usage of being is also not correct in this sentence because it is neither used as a passive progressive verb or as a noun.

(D) with roofs of poles and arrowweed to be
this suggests that dwellings are with roofs of poles and arrowweed. This meaning is non sensical. Instead the intended meaning is that dwellings each consist of a roof and arrowhead.

(E) with roofs of poles and arrowweed that are
similar issue as option D.

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