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Rolodex TTP has added IR and AWA both are in the bottom chapters
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Was it at the 2018 Knowledge Refresher with Dr Chris Han that you asked about IR?

Among other things, he acknowledged the problem of the Quant scores clumping together at the high end. That could be a major reason for the upcoming change.
Yes, I think it was the 2018 summit.

It'll be hard for GMAC to do anything about quant scores without increasing the difficulty of the quant section. Increasing the number of questions could have also worked, but they've opted not to do that.
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Perhaps the hardest Quant questions will be more difficult than they are now. Something certainly needed to be done about Quant scoring. I guess the GMAC will release more details soon.

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If the old version will be in place until early 2024, does that mean we can opt in to take that version instead? I've been studying on and off again since 2021 and finally took the last few months of studying seriously. Would be good to know if I can commit to taking this mid-year without significantly changing my study schedule.

You are correct - you will be able to take the current/old version of the GMAT until early 2024.
And I would guess you could take the new version of the test on the same day if you wanted since the 2 tests will not be connected...

I wonder if they will fix the ESR and all those other issues with the GMAT Online and at least make the same score reporting system for the new test that is the same for the online and offline test... I guess we now sort of know why they stopped investing into the GMAT and features :(
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It's very distracting(which means I have already prepared one system and now introducing a new system) while preparing for a hard test like GMAT, especially for those who are in the almost final stage of their preparation.
Overall understanding, I will be able to take the current/old version of the GMAT until early 2024, which means from now almost a year. I don't need to think about what will happen in the next year.
I will take my Gmat test in between 2-4 months. I want to solely focus on my own preparation(current/old version).
What is your recommendation to me? bb
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The new change in exam pattern is inevitable.
What can be done at this moment is prepare well as the existing format is going to exist until early 2024 say March 24.
So considering that you have not given gmat exam before then you have 5 attempts available on rolling calendar basis .

Also note that its highly possible that new gmat Focus might be only available as an online exam.. so far there is little or no clarity about anything except speculation..
I guess it's best to wait for new OG to release and also wait for official announcement about what exactly Gmat Focus is and how can one give it (at center/online or both)..

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So considering that you have not given gmat exam before then you have 5 attempts for 2023 and 3 attempts for 2024 ..
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A small correction to these numbers

GMAC doesn't consider calendar year to consider the limits.

Ex: if a person gives his / her 5th attempt in the month of Dec'23, he/she will not be able to give the 6th attempt in Jan'24 (just because the year has changed).

The attempt limits are 5 in a rolling 12-month period.
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Thanks for correcting.. gmatophobia

Yes its 5 attempts in a rolling year (out of which 2 can be online ) rescheduling possible after 16 days.




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So considering that you have not given gmat exam before then you have 5 attempts for 2023 and 3 attempts for 2024 ..

A small correction to these numbers

GMAC doesn't consider calendar year to consider the limits.

Ex: if a person gives his / her 5th attempt in the month of Dec'23, he/she will not be able to give the 6th attempt in Jan'24 (just because the year has changed).

The attempt limits are 5 in a rolling 12-month period.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned the underlined part of the official statement:


It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.

I have a feeling that higher-order critical reasoning skills is referring to the new sections titled Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning that were introduced in the 2022 OG. You can find them on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.

Historically, most of the GMAT'S CR questions require inductive reasoning.
The new Deductive Reasoning section of the OG2022 covers a lot of formal logic (e.g., If A then B is logically equivalent to if not B then not A), and I have a hunch we will be seeing a greater proportion of CR questions requiring deductive reasoning in the OG2023.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned the underlined part of the official statement:


It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.

I have a feeling that higher-order critical reasoning skills is referring to the new sections titled Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning that were introduced in the 2022 OG. You can find them on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.

Historically, most of the GMAT'S CR questions require inductive reasoning.
The new Deductive Reasoning section of the OG2022 covers a lot of formal logic (e.g., If A then B is logically equivalent to if not B then not A), and I have a hunch we will be seeing a greater proportion of CR questions requiring deductive reasoning in the OG2023.
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Those fans of the LSAT questions should say "wooohooooo"""
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I don't think anyone has mentioned the underlined part of the official statement:


It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.

I have a feeling that higher-order critical reasoning skills is referring to the new sections titled Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning that were introduced in the 2022 OG. You can find them on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.

Historically, most of the GMAT'S CR questions require inductive reasoning.
The new Deductive Reasoning section of the OG2022 covers a lot of formal logic (e.g., If A then B is logically equivalent to if not B then not A), and I have a hunch we will be seeing a greater proportion of CR questions requiring deductive reasoning in the OG2023.
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In that case, Verbal will be more similar to LSAT. So higher level of CR will mean most of the logic test type LSAT CR will be now in GMAT CR. Also LSAT Logic game might also be part of the equation ....
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Hi BrentGMATPrepNow
Isn't so that the OG 2022 had no new questions?

By page numbers you referring to CR questions?

https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-officia ... l#p2733439




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I don't think anyone has mentioned the underlined part of the official statement:


It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.

I have a feeling that higher-order critical reasoning skills is referring to the new sections titled Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning that were introduced in the 2022 OG. You can find them on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.

Historically, most of the GMAT'S CR questions require inductive reasoning.
The new Deductive Reasoning section of the OG2022 covers a lot of formal logic (e.g., If A then B is logically equivalent to if not B then not A), and I have a hunch we will be seeing a greater proportion of CR questions requiring deductive reasoning in the OG2023.
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It would very inappropriate for GMAC to introduce LSAT kinda CR question in GMAT Focus..

Lets wait for OG to be released no point speculating about something which isn't official yet... 🤔

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Hi BrentGMATPrepNow
Isn't so that the OG 2022 had no new questions?

By page numbers you referring to CR questions?

https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-officia ... l#p2733439
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The OG2021 and OG2022 had the same CR questions, but the OG2021 never had the Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning sections.

The Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning sections are on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.
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Lets wait for OG to be released no point speculating about something which isn't official yet... 🤔
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I plan to continue speculating if it's okay with you :)
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Thank you so much for pointing this out. I feel like every time I go through the announcement I keep noticing something new and every time I go through the table of contents I’m noticing some thing you as well. First time, I did not spot the geometry has been cut.

I can see this being an attempt to win some market share from both GRE and LSAT and potentially consolidate executive assessment into this product as well. It would make G max job easier if they don’t have to administer two tests…


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I don't think anyone has mentioned the underlined part of the official statement:


It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.

I have a feeling that higher-order critical reasoning skills is referring to the new sections titled Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning that were introduced in the 2022 OG. You can find them on pages 399 to 423 of the OG2022.

Historically, most of the GMAT'S CR questions require inductive reasoning.
The new Deductive Reasoning section of the OG2022 covers a lot of formal logic (e.g., If A then B is logically equivalent to if not B then not A), and I have a hunch we will be seeing a greater proportion of CR questions requiring deductive reasoning in the OG2023.
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Lets wait for OG to be released no point speculating about something which isn't official yet... 🤔
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Me too! What’s the fun of reading the facts ? 😂 it is the puzzle and the mystery solving that is more entertaining
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This is also an economic measure. Lengthier tests cost them more money, now it will be much cheaper for GMAC to administer, a move forward amidst the economic downturn ....
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Yeah sure :)
Let me make one as well..

Hope the new version is not limited to be an only online exam :shock: that way GMAC can save some more cost of renting centers :|

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Yeah sure :)
Let me make one as well..

Hope the new version is not limited to be an only online exam :shock: that way GMAC can save some more cost of renting centers :|

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I thought we are speculating stuff that is not published :dontknow:

The fact that the exam will continue in both modes has already been clarified by GMAC :lol:

You can now select programs after you receive your scores at both test centers and online, and each Official Score report will only contain one exam score, which means you decide if you want to share previous scores with schools.

Source: https://www.mba.com/exams/gmat-focus-edition

P.S - My apologies if I bursted your "speculation bubble" too soon :eh:
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they are not speculations. It is called hype

And it is so much fun :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It seems that "homing in on data literacy" will be accomplished by the GMAT's new Data Insights (aka IR+DS) section, but what about "higher-order critical reasoning skills"?
If the test-makers intend to continue asking the same types of Critical Reasoning questions, they wouldn't bother adding this line to their press release.
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Hi BrentGMATPrepNow,

GMAC has (for > 10 years) used the phrase "higher-order reasoning skills" to describe what the GMAT tests. That is, while we may see quant/verbal questions on the GMAT, the exam is actually designed to test the (underlying) higher-order reasoning skills of test takers.
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