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Hi GMATNinja , other experts.
I am preparing for GMAT for quite sometime.
I have a subscription for lawhub and I have given lsat 101,104,105.
I am able to get above 80% correct in all sections and my timing is also less than 60 minutes for each.

I have given some official GMAT mock test. I am not able to complete verbal section on time. I am not able to do around 4 questions in the end. Although I am still getting around 84 verbal.
I am not able to figure out why i am taking more time in gmat although i am able to complete lsat on time(<60).
Can you guide me on how to proceed.
Is Lsat sets after "lsat prep test 100" are easier than the one before?
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GMAT Official Guide: softcopy or hardcopy, which one do you recommend?
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Hi GMATNinja , other experts.
I am preparing for GMAT for quite sometime.
I have a subscription for lawhub and I have given lsat 101,104,105.
I am able to get above 80% correct in all sections and my timing is also less than 60 minutes for each.

I have given some official GMAT mock test. I am not able to complete verbal section on time. I am not able to do around 4 questions in the end. Although I am still getting around 84 verbal.
I am not able to figure out why i am taking more time in gmat although i am able to complete lsat on time(<60).
Can you guide me on how to proceed.
Is Lsat sets after "lsat prep test 100" are easier than the one before?
Hm, that's interesting, Ashish136! I'm thrilled to see the overall accuracy -- 80% on the LSAT is great, and 84V is wonderful, too. So a lot of things are obviously going well for you. You deserve a cookie.

I'm a little bit surprised by the timing issues, though. A few potential theories:


1. Maybe you're behaving differently on a timed GMAT exam than on LSAT practice sets. It's possible that you're trying to "read more carefully" (or just "better"), and you're burning a bunch of time in the process. Or maybe you're getting a bit nervous on practice exams. Either of those things could slow you down quite a bit, and explain the timing discrepancy.
2. This is pretty rare, but sometimes we meet folks who have an easier time with the LSAT than the GMAT, for one reason or another. I'm a little bit skeptical in your case, just because the overall results look pretty similar on both (80% on the LSAT would roughly correlate to an 84V on the GMAT). But it's possible that you've become accustomed to the LSAT's style, and you're whipping through LSAT questions a bit faster than I'd expect. If that's the case, more GMAT practice should help, in theory.
3. Maybe I'm full of crap, and < 60 minutes on the LSAT isn't actually quick enough to finish GMAT verbal sections on time.

Do any of those feel right to you? All joking aside, I'm open to #3 being part of the picture here -- our own students' experience suggests otherwise, but that's a fairly small sample size.

I hope that helps a bit!
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Came across a post on reddit the other day about LSAT questions vs. GMAT questions:

Those who have tried LSAT CR questions and GMAT CR questions, do you feel LSAT questions are easier?

A few interesting perspectives were offered in that thread. Just to share with those interested in using LSAT for GMAT prep.

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Hi GMATNinja , other experts.
I am preparing for GMAT for quite sometime.
I have a subscription for lawhub and I have given lsat 101,104,105.
I am able to get above 80% correct in all sections and my timing is also less than 60 minutes for each.

I have given some official GMAT mock test. I am not able to complete verbal section on time. I am not able to do around 4 questions in the end. Although I am still getting around 84 verbal.
I am not able to figure out why i am taking more time in gmat although i am able to complete lsat on time(<60).
Can you guide me on how to proceed.
Is Lsat sets after "lsat prep test 100" are easier than the one before?
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I just wrapped up another optional non-official quant exam from the GMAT Club tests and, once again, landed on a discouraging 79Q. This has been the story since Week 3—I've done several of these tests and can’t seem to push past 80.

Now I’m wondering: should I be worried at this stage? Should my score already be higher? Part of me is thinking about hitting pause on my current study plan and maybe switching gears, I've heard pretty wild things about TTP for people struggling with quant. All this before I dive into the official material lined up for the next few weeks.

I ask this since question difficulty has gone up just recently (this week we are still doing some medium difficulty OG questions and sub555 sets, so maybe I haven't seen any improvement just yet because I happened to have this 79Q level before and will improve surely after this last weeks work?

What really throws me off is the inconsistency: I can hit 90th percentile on topics like sets and statistics, but then drop to the 20th percentile on others. I’ve tried fixing this by practicing more problem sets and digging through forum discussions these past couple of weeks, but the needle hasn’t moved much.
So... is this normal, or is it a red flag? Thanks in advance GMATNinja
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I just wrapped up another optional non-official quant exam from the GMAT Club tests and, once again, landed on a discouraging 79Q. This has been the story since Week 3—I've done several of these tests and can’t seem to push past 80.

Now I’m wondering: should I be worried at this stage? Should my score already be higher? Part of me is thinking about hitting pause on my current study plan and maybe switching gears, I've heard pretty wild things about TTP for people struggling with quant. All this before I dive into the official material lined up for the next few weeks.

I ask this since question difficulty has gone up just recently (this week we are still doing some medium difficulty OG questions and sub555 sets, so maybe I haven't seen any improvement just yet because I happened to have this 79Q level before and will improve surely after this last weeks work?

What really throws me off is the inconsistency: I can hit 90th percentile on topics like sets and statistics, but then drop to the 20th percentile on others. I’ve tried fixing this by practicing more problem sets and digging through forum discussions these past couple of weeks, but the needle hasn’t moved much.
So... is this normal, or is it a red flag? Thanks in advance GMATNinja
Sorry to hear that you haven't been thrilled with your results, BatrickPatemann!

The biggest thing that jumps out at me: I wouldn't panic based on the results of a non-official quant test just yet. It's incredibly difficult for creators of non-official tests to mimic the actual exam's style and scoring -- so don't take that number too literally. That's why the interpretation guidance emphasizes your time management (anything over 3 minutes on quant is a problem, since that time is probably better spent elsewhere) and any "unforced" errors.

So as you look at the GMAT Club (or any other non-official test), ask yourself: are you missing questions that should be fairly easy for you? If so, that's where you need to focus your attention. On an adaptive test like the GMAT, one or two boneheaded errors can cause a huge drop in your score -- and if you think you should be above 80, a sloppy mistake or two might be the entire difference.

When you say that you're at the 90th percentile in some topics but the 20th in others, are you basing that on data from the practice exams? If so, I would be very careful with that data, particularly from non-official exams. Even if you're taking official tests, those topic-based metrics are calculated based on a very small sample of questions -- and it may or may not be picking up on something that's important. It's very possible that the inconsistency is just a reflection of sloppy mistakes -- again, one of two of those will tank your topic subscores in a hurry.

That said, if you really have major imbalances in your skills, you'll want to address them ASAP. If your skills are really at the 20th percentile in some topic areas, that's a disaster on the GMAT, because you risk missing some very easy questions -- and those always do more damage than missing harder ones.

Tl;dr: don't worry too much about those numbers, but if you're making careless errors (and/or mismanaging your time), address that problem ASAP. If the subscores really do reflect major imbalances in your skills -- particularly if those imbalances mimic your performance on the homework -- then you'll want to spend extra time on your weak areas before you go too much farther. But it's very possible that your performance is inconsistent -- not your skills, exactly.

I hope that helps a bit, and have fun studying!
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