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YES! Finally I wrote it with sleep and on chocolate.

GMATPrep1: 790
51Q (0 wrong, 10 minutes under time)
50V (2x wrong, 2 SC's, 1 was impossible, 30 mins under time)


I got that **** CR beetle question............... I spent like 6 minutes on it wtf, I ended up going with the one I thought was most right, and got it correct.





Lets go 790/800....
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Yes, it's been confirmed-- sleep does indeed make quite the difference.
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I plan on writing it before my Stanford app is due. Praying for 790... maybe 800
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lol the beetle question. I got that question wrong every single time.... never correct. I still don't understand it
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Good luck start up.

I don't see the value in taking the GMAT Prep stuff over and over again. Even if you don't distinctly remember the question you go into it with a "oh, this is familiar. I've seen this before" mind set that keeps you relaxed. Hopefully you do as well on the real deal, but I think I'd focus my efforts elsewhere at this point in the game.
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lol the beetle question. I got that question wrong every single time.... never correct. I still don't understand it
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Yeah it's a pain in the asss..... I'm going to go review it, maybe I can figure it out :-)
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Good luck start up.

I don't see the value in taking the GMAT Prep stuff over and over again. Even if you don't distinctly remember the question you go into it with a "oh, this is familiar. I've seen this before" mind set that keeps you relaxed. Hopefully you do as well on the real deal, but I think I'd focus my efforts elsewhere at this point in the game.
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Trust me, GMATPrep is the best thing out there to prepare yourself for the GMAT. Did you know each GMATPrep has about 10,000 questions? I'm serious, open up a .log file and look at the question indexes, I've seen them labeled as high as 9800. You rarely see repeats. And for me, it's not a matter of learning the material, I know it inside out, it's reinforcing various test-taking principles, such as converting everything to formulas right away, watching out for GMAC's tricks, etc... plus building mental stamina.


Anyways, Time to learn more SC tricks............ and figure out that damn Beetle question WTF!
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Q: 51 (1 really really hard one Odd/Even, Quadratic/ DS one, and 1 silly mistake 20 mins under time)
V: 50 (1 wrong, SC, got it down to 2 then guessed. missed the golden rule-- always pick the shortest one! 40 mins under time)

So 2 790's in a row... 2 wrong and 3 wrong....... lets get it down to 0 wrong :-)
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PS wtf, does GMATPrep even give out 800's?

I take it it's easier to score higher on the real one, as if you're good at Verbal / Quant, you'll probably get impossible experimental questions... so you're less likely to get the ones that count wrong.
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GMAT Paper #28

Verbal, did each section in 15 mins except RC, 2 wrong SC because I rushed, scales to 49V

Math flawless of course. 51Q

overall 800.
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What benefit are you getting out of these tests at this point?

Paper test questions aren't indicative of the real thing and a Q51/V49 is a solid 790 on the CAT anyway. I think you're about as prepared as anyone could hopefully expect to get. You just need to sit for it now.
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damn. Serious? wtf

wait a minute - haven't you done these gmatpreps a few months ago? the questions haven't changed

I did do them a few months ago. Now, I do them almost every day, and I rarely see repeats. I opened up a hex editor and looked through the .dat files, along with analyzing the logs - I'm 99% sure each GMATprep test has a database of over 10,000 questions.

So, if you're around the same skill level, say a 51Q, then you might see some repeats. But I usually see a LOT of new questions, and even if I do see repeats, I have no recollection of the correct answer. I rework them out anyways, so the repeats don't give you that much of an advantage. And you have to remember too that even if you do see a repeat and think that you know the answer, you still have to recalculate the answer as your remembered answer will probably be wrong.

Going to do GMP1 tomorrow as well as 200 questions (25 PS, 25 DS, 50 SC, 50 CR, 50 RC).
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Where can one get that hex editor?

Are you claiming there are 10,000 of questions to choose from for each of the 2 CATs?
That's a little hard to believe.
Do you have an idea what percentage of those are 700+ level questions?
How about the practice questions on the software outside the 2 CATs?
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StartupAddict,

I just read all of this thread. I don't mean to be mean or nasty, but I do not know whether I should believe your claims. I agree with ChineseBurned, in that there aren't 10000 Qs in GMATPrep.

I did GMATPrep 6 times in total and saw upto 8 repeats of Quant and a whole lot more on the verbal the last time I did it.

Also I think 20+ drinks in a given night plus 3 hours of sleep, no one would be fit enough to break even 600 on the GMAT.
my $0.02
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Also I think 20+ drinks in a given night plus 3 hours of sleep, no one would be fit enough to break even 600 on the GMAT.
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lmfao :-D

Why would anyone who paid $250 for a (possibly life and career changing) test, plus $ for prep, get totally wasted the night before the test??
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Yes, there are.

Take a look at a log file:

2008-02-22 19.22.31.406:INFO :Item "187:003882" eligibility from STRICT to NONE - [SELECTED].

2008-02-22 19.29.46.015:INFO :Item "187:007298" eligibility from STRICT to NONE - [SELECTED].
2008-02-22 19.44.27.750:INFO :Item "188:007554" eligibility from STRICT to NONE - [SELECTED].

2008-02-22 19.52.22.421:INFO :Item "188:000009-01" presented

2008-02-22 19.52.31.031:INFO :Item "188:002967" eligibility from STRICT to NONE - [SELECTED].


Look at the indexes, I'm assuming there are about 10,000 questions. And, given that the software gives you Quant and Verbal scores that range in from the bottom 2nd percentile to the top 99th+, they have to have a lot of questions for each level. It's not hard to deduce that there are at least a few thousand questions. And everytime I do a new GMATPrep, I always see new questions (especially brand new SC's in Verbal).

And it was far more than 20, :) Let's just say I learned my lesson. I'm writing it sober and well rested and aiming for the top.
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damn. Serious? wtf

wait a minute - haven't you done these gmatpreps a few months ago? the questions haven't changed

I did do them a few months ago. Now, I do them almost every day, and I rarely see repeats. I opened up a hex editor and looked through the .dat files, along with analyzing the logs - I'm 99% sure each GMATprep test has a database of over 10,000 questions.

So, if you're around the same skill level, say a 51Q, then you might see some repeats. But I usually see a LOT of new questions, and even if I do see repeats, I have no recollection of the correct answer. I rework them out anyways, so the repeats don't give you that much of an advantage. And you have to remember too that even if you do see a repeat and think that you know the answer, you still have to recalculate the answer as your remembered answer will probably be wrong.

Going to do GMP1 tomorrow as well as 200 questions (25 PS, 25 DS, 50 SC, 50 CR, 50 RC).

Where can one get that hex editor?

Are you claiming there are 10,000 of questions to choose from for each of the 2 CATs?
That's a little hard to believe.
Do you have an idea what percentage of those are 700+ level questions?
How about the practice questions on the software outside the 2 CATs?
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Any Hex editor will do. The .dat files are compressed and over 10MB, and if you know anything about data compression you can compress a big text file to virtually nothing.

I would say there are a few hundred 700+ questions, to say the least. There are probably at least 100+ 51Q's and a 100+ 49V+.

Paper Tests have a few difficult questions, especially CR and SC. The math is a joke. GMP Math are way harder than the paper tests.
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The reason I am skeptical that there are so many questions in the .dat files is that the entire OG + the 2 supplement books by GMAC barely have over 1000 questions. And you claim the software (which is free) has 10 times as many. Why wouldn't GMAC publish 10 different volumes of OG each for $40 with that bank of questions? Instead, they give them away for free witht the software.

I am not sure I understand your comment about the percentile levels. Let's say that there are 78 questions for each level (which is not true because they always start with the mid-level). Even in that extreme case no more than 700 questions per CAT bank are needed. Overall, even if they made the 2 practice tests perfect for any percentile and level, about 500 questions for each test would suffice. So, a total of 1000, not 10000.
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BTW, what do you mean by GMP?

Please, tell me where to download any hex editor?
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They're "dead" questions. GMAC has to have a lot of live questions at any given time that are frequently activated/deactivated. A lot of people especially in China have rings where someone goes writes the GMATs, remembers the answers, and contributes it to a huge list, that's sold. In order to combat this they dilute the pool as much as possible. And look at the indexes, they go over 10,000, and each dat files is 10MB, assuming each question takes up 1KB, that's easily 10,000 questions.

GMAT Paper Test #37

PS: 16/16 - 15 minutes.
SC: 21/22 - 20 minutes.
PS: 16/16 - 18 minutes.
CR: 15/16 - 18 minutes.
DS: 20/20 - 16 minutes.
RC: 18/18 - 20 minutes.

All sections done in a row without breaks.

Raw Q score: 52. Adjusted: 52.
Raw V score: 56. Adjusted: 54.

Total: 106.

Overall: 800. Nobody scored higher than 106 that exam, and 103-106 were 800, 101-102 790.

Getting there.
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Edit: Went over incorrect answers, and my SC was correct. So really 22/22.

Q: 51
V: 51


Overall 107.... the Paper test doesn't scale that high... so 800.
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