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Hi sad_general,

First off, a 720/Q50 is an outstanding score (it's above the 90th percentile overall), so you can apply to any Business Schools that interest you. As such, a retest is likely not necessary. Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile. There's a Forum full of them here:

ask-admission-consultants-124/

It sounds like you have properly assessed your performance and your overall studies. Yes, your practice CAT scores were likely a bit 'inflated', so you were never really performing at a 750+ level. Yes, you did too much work in the last days leading up to your Official GMAT, so you likely 'burned out' a bit before Test Day (taking 4 CATs in 4 days was NOT a good idea). While you likely do NOT need to retake the GMAT, if you do decide to do so, then you have to account for these issues in your future studies. As an aside, referring to a 720 as a "decent" score makes you sound silly, so I would suggest that you stop doing that.

1) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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First of all - well written de brief.

Few things from my side - (based on my experience of students getting 750+ from 720)

- The GMAT date needs to be thought properly without hurrying.

- Exam analysis is the key - The attribute that i felt was missing in your brief. Analysis is not about number of questions but about the way you got them right or wrong.

- Yes - you are correct in stating that practicing more questions in the last two weeks was one of the factors for some kind of mental fatigue during the paper.

- I would not suggest you to do anything but focus on "process" for the official questions and on proper strategy "revision".

Hope this helps.

Thanks a lot for the reply, Rohit Sir :)

I agree with all the points you have mentioned. I think I will fix the exam date only once I complete all the practice material and have started giving mocks. Hence, between the exam date and mocks, I will only have to focus on my exam taking strategy and revising all the material, no learning of new material.

I did not spend any time on exam analysis, and I think this time, I will focus on it, by keeping a minimum of 2-3 days between every mock.

Just to confirm, based on your suggestion, I will only focus on revising the material, redoing the OG questions, and giving mocks and analyzing how to refine my exam strategy. So does that mean I don't do blue book or LSAT prep?

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At this level, you are experience diminishing marginal returns; any improvement beyond 720 is going to require some hard work and total elimination of careless mistakes. In other words, you'll be looking to fine-tune your approach. The ESR was definitely a worthwhile purchase, since it tells you that your Verbal performance was very good across the board. To do better in Verbal, you'll have to raise the bar across the board as well. Since you do not exhibit weakness in any specific area, you'll need to squeeze the last few extra points out of each of the sub-sections. Perhaps additional practice on your own will help; otherwise, you can recruit the help of a very good tutor that is used to helping top scorers get to the peak.

I see that you were already practicing at high level on your practice tests. However, in order to lock in a 750, you'll want to consistently score in the 780-800 range, since test day performance can easily deviate by 30 points from regular practice test performance. Scoring 780 on any practice test is no small feat, but perhaps you're up for the challenge, if you're the type that's absolutely confident about scoring in the 99th percentile on the actual test. :wink:

I agree that additional practice may be the way to go. However, I need to lock down on what all should I take for additional practice. Do I invest in LSAT prep for CR and RC, or is it worthwhile to buy E-GMAT verbal package for additional prep? Or do I just redo OG and OG verbal questions?

Additionally, I wanted to know if Manhattan CATs will suffice for the next lap of studies.

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Hi sad_general,

First off, a 720/Q50 is an outstanding score (it's above the 90th percentile overall), so you can apply to any Business Schools that interest you. As such, a retest is likely not necessary. Depending on the Schools that you plan to apply to, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile. There's a Forum full of them here:

ask-admission-consultants-124/

It sounds like you have properly assessed your performance and your overall studies. Yes, your practice CAT scores were likely a bit 'inflated', so you were never really performing at a 750+ level. Yes, you did too much work in the last days leading up to your Official GMAT, so you likely 'burned out' a bit before Test Day (taking 4 CATs in 4 days was NOT a good idea). While you likely do NOT need to retake the GMAT, if you do decide to do so, then you have to account for these issues in your future studies. As an aside, referring to a 720 as a "decent" score makes you sound silly, so I would suggest that you stop doing that.

1) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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Thanks for this info, Rich!

I will put up a post for my profile evaluation there. However, to give a gist, given below is my profile. Schools I am planning to apply to:

Kellog
Darden
Fuqua
Anderson
Tuck
Kenan-Flagler
ISB

I want to know if a score of 720 will help me in these universities at all. I have a B. Tech and an M. Tech from IIT Madras. I have around 5.5 years of work-experience. I have been working in ZS Associates for 3.5 years. I also founded an NGO in Pune 2 years ago and am currently heading it.

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To state the obvious: your Quant was excellent but your Verbal was lacking, especially with regard to the front-loaded scoring algorithm.

You performed reasonably well on the Verbal overall (22 correct out of 30 counted questions = 73% correct), but your score fell apart in the very important 2nd quarter of the test, where you answered only 3 of 7 (43%) counted questions correctly. It was hard to recover from there, as you can see from the difficulty chart, despite a strong recovery in the 3rd quarter of the section. You simply didn't earn enough hard Verbal questions to reach an elite score.

I also agree that 720 is good enough for almost any B-school. But given your past scores, it may have been a bit of an underperformance.



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At this level, you are experience diminishing marginal returns; any improvement beyond 720 is going to require some hard work and total elimination of careless mistakes. In other words, you'll be looking to fine-tune your approach. The ESR was definitely a worthwhile purchase, since it tells you that your Verbal performance was very good across the board. To do better in Verbal, you'll have to raise the bar across the board as well. Since you do not exhibit weakness in any specific area, you'll need to squeeze the last few extra points out of each of the sub-sections. Perhaps additional practice on your own will help; otherwise, you can recruit the help of a very good tutor that is used to helping top scorers get to the peak.

I see that you were already practicing at high level on your practice tests. However, in order to lock in a 750, you'll want to consistently score in the 780-800 range, since test day performance can easily deviate by 30 points from regular practice test performance. Scoring 780 on any practice test is no small feat, but perhaps you're up for the challenge, if you're the type that's absolutely confident about scoring in the 99th percentile on the actual test. :wink:

I agree that additional practice may be the way to go. However, I need to lock down on what all should I take for additional practice. Do I invest in LSAT prep for CR and RC, or is it worthwhile to buy E-GMAT verbal package for additional prep? Or do I just redo OG and OG verbal questions?

Additionally, I wanted to know if Manhattan CATs will suffice for the next lap of studies.

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Stick with official materials only. LSAT questions are well written and can be a useful supplement to your GMAT study, though I think GMAC's question packs will be more helpful. Test prep companies' practice questions are not as well written and can do more harm than good. At your level, stay away from non-official practice materials. You can re-take the GMATPrep exams in a short while; I doubt you'll remember too much - you took these exams in a haste without reviewing them later after all.
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To state the obvious: your Quant was excellent but your Verbal was lacking, especially with regard to the front-loaded scoring algorithm.

You performed reasonably well on the Verbal overall (22 correct out of 30 counted questions = 73% correct), but your score fell apart in the very important 2nd quarter of the test, where you answered only 3 of 7 (43%) counted questions correctly. It was hard to recover from there, as you can see from the difficulty chart, despite a strong recovery in the 3rd quarter of the section. You simply didn't earn enough hard Verbal questions to reach an elite score.

I also agree that 720 is good enough for almost any B-school. But given your past scores, it may have been a bit of an underperformance.




Agreed. This means that either I did not have complete concentration in the second quarter or I was not prepared for questions of such a difficulty. Nonetheless, I will re-start my preparation.

I have finalized on the following, based on suggestions from everyone:

Exam date - Left to decide yet. I will schedule the exam only once I have completed the concepts and practiced the material sufficiently.

Concepts - I will revisit Manhattan for SC and PowerScore for CR.

Practice - Redo OG and OG verbal questions, complete remaining questions from Jamboree blue book, and do 700-level questions from GMAT club (optional).

CATs - Since I have Manhattan CATs left, I will be taking them after I complete the concepts and OG. HiLine has also mentioned to give GMAT Prep exams again.

Study plan - Focus on concepts for the followed by OG and OG verbal questions. Following this I will give one CAT a week and do extra questions in the area where I feel I am lacking, along with revising all the material every week.

Again, as people have said, LSAT is a no-go.

I am thinking I will give the exam by October end. That will give me at least 2 months for the applications.

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I don't think anyone suggested that you work on Jamboree or Manhattan practice questions, and I think you should focus on only official questions at this point. Even representatives from these companies will probably agree with me.

I would not wait that long for a re-take either. Take the exam this month if you can. Focus and do not get burned out.
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I don't think anyone suggested that you work on Jamboree or Manhattan practice questions, and I think you should focus on only official questions at this point. Even representatives from these companies will probably agree with me.

I would not wait that long for a re-take either. Take the exam this month if you can. Focus and do not get burned out.

Got it. I was just trying to make sure what I should do and what I should (certainly) not do.

I will focus only on official questions for now. However, I am revisiting all the material for concepts again. I feel I should have revisited all the notes and books at least once to recall everything I have learnt. I will do a run once more before I do the OG questions. Will this work against my favor?

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I don't think anyone suggested that you work on Jamboree or Manhattan practice questions, and I think you should focus on only official questions at this point. Even representatives from these companies will probably agree with me.

I would not wait that long for a re-take either. Take the exam this month if you can. Focus and do not get burned out.

Got it. I was just trying to make sure what I should do and what I should (certainly) not do.

I will focus only on official questions for now. However, I am revisiting all the material for concepts again. I feel I should have revisited all the notes and books at least once to recall everything I have learnt. I will do a run once more before I do the OG questions. Will this work against my favor?

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Reviewing what you've learned is not a bad idea. Keep in mind that applying what you've learned to specific cases is the key to conquering the 750+ range. Don't practice blindly either; make sure you learn something from each practice question. Don't just do and move on.
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