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Is "However" a valid conjunction to join to independent clauses, or to create a subordinate clause??

Shouldn't the two clauses be separated by a semicolon?

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The use of "however" you are referring to (conjunctive adverb) is not the same as the usage of "however" here.

1. needs semicolon (introduces independent clause): I played well; however I lost.

2. does not need semicolon (no independent clause introduced) : I cannot win however well I play.

You may consider the second as a part of the list "whatever", "whenever", "however" etc. They are NOT conjunctive adverbs and does not introduce an independent clause.

"However much United States voters may agree" is not an independent clause and is of type 2 stated above.
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A cannot be correct as 'much' is inappropriate.

C looks fine.

E doesn't show the contrast.

B is wordy.

D is chucked out because C is short and concise .

Please correct me if I'm wrong. What is the OE?

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27. However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.
A) However much United States voters may agree that
B) Despite the agreement among United States voters to the fact
C) Although United States voters agree
D) Even though United States voters may agree
E) There is agreement among United States voters that

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A cannot be correct as 'much' is inappropriate.
C looks fine.
E doesn't show the contrast.
B is wordy.
D is chucked out because C is short and concise .

Please correct me if I'm wrong. What is the OE?

Dear GMATonMind,

I'm happy to respond. :-) I don't have the highest opinion of this SC question, but at least it does have a clear OA of (A).

My friend, I suspect what confuses you is the alternate meaning of the word "however." See this blog:
The Word “However” on the GMAT
As I explain in that blog, the word "however" has a common well-known meaning and a second, more sophisticated meaning that confused many GMAT takers. Used in the secondary sense, the construction "however much" is 100% correct.

If you have any question after you read that blog, please let me know.

Mike :-)
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This topic tests two facts namely 1. the parallel structure of the introducer 'that' and 2. the meaning of 'may agree'.
1. Because there is the introducer 'that' in the non-underlined part, one is compelled by parallelism to use 'that' in the underlined part too. We may eliminate choices B, C, and D for not obeying that rule.
Between A and E, the original text uses the word 'may agree", a sort of speculation while E claims certainty by saying that there is agreement, substantially differing from the original intent.
A is the correct choice.
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Isn't HOWEVER an Independent Marker ?
so how is it in option A , the sentence before comma is used as a subordinating clause ?
or is it that since here we have "however much" , it is not an independent clause ?
And if no, then what's the correct usage of however ?
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Isn't HOWEVER an Independent Marker ?
so how is it in option A , the sentence before comma is used as a subordinating clause ?
or is it that since here we have "however much" , it is not an independent clause ?
And if no, then what's the correct usage of however ?
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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.


"However much" definitely isn't an independent marker, and it functions differently than just plain old "however." In this sentence, "however much" basically means "regardless of the extent to which" or "no matter how much" -- and both are definitely the sort of qualifiers that would make the clause dependent.

Does that help at all?
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It actually gets a little tricky if you use 'however' as a subordinate conjunction. If you join to independent clauses - as you did - then you must use the semi-colon with however. You must also put a comma in front of however, the way you would when however is used as a subordinate conjunction the beginning of the sentence.

He likes to go to market; however, he will not go this week.

Another important thing: however, when used as a Sub. Conj. can also go near the beginning of the sentence.

The man with the dog, however, could not dine at the restaurant.

Notice that 'the man with the dog' is not a dependent clause. Therefore ', however,' is correct and you do not need to use a semi-colon. Besides the placement of 'however,' this sentence is no different from:

However, the man with the dog could not dine at the restaurant.

Where a writer put the 'however' depends on the rhythm of the sentence. However, it is important to note that some grammar sticklers (influenced by Strunk and Whites Elements of Style), believe it is incorrect to start a sentence with 'however', when however is used as a subordinate conjunction.

The GMAT, however, does not subscribe to this "orthodoxy." I just thought I'd point this out because a google search on 'however' can yield conflicting info.

Hope that helps!


Thank you so much for the detailed explanation, Chris.
I was struggling today to find a nice example of however used with ; and ,

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However much United States voters may agree that there is waste in government and that the government as a whole spends beyond its means, it is difficult to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state.

What is referent of "it" in this question? aragonn, generis, hazelnutChrisLele

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The it refers to "to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state". We can confirm that by checking what is "difficult": "to find broad support for a movement toward a minimal state is difficult".
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2 key eliminations here.
1. The first clause must be subordinate as the non-underlined clause is an independent claused joined without a coordinating conjunction
2. Parallelism must be maintained with the non-underlined portion of the first clause by including "that"... we can say:
- I agree THAT X and Y
- I agree that x and that Y
but not I agree x and THAT y
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