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14 Dec 2018, 08:14
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Took the gmat and ended up with 410 (Q32,V15,IR6). I feel lost

I was squeezed by the time frame and found myself doing nothing but making guesses at the end of each section and for multiple questions in row

I worked so hard during the past years to progress at work and my leadership activities, as per my application consultant I have such a great resume and set of awards and achievements but .. again .. the GMAT !

I did two mocks, I got 580 & 570 in Mnahattan prep’s first two mocks. I did the gmat perp first two exams long time back and got 580 & 460.

I feel than I wasnt ready during those past mocks so I spent hours and hours studying and solving problems on Magoosh and today I am here with my silly 410.

I really need your help, I would be happy with anything +650 but I don’t know how to start. I am lost

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14 Dec 2018, 10:57
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You don't want to run out of time on the GMAT - that's your issue. You did not use the time you had efficiently. The penalty is harsh.... never spend more than 3 mins per question. https://gmatclub.com/forum/timing-strat ... ml?fl=menu
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14 Dec 2018, 11:50
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Hello 11Cmereturns ........welcome to the community.

I second every word bb has mentioned. Though I am not an expert ,but, I have learned couple of small things in my own journey. Here are my 2 cents :

1. Your score shows that you still has gaps both in verbal and quant .
2. For quant please go through the concepts at GMATClub math book ( its free pdf ). And by going through I mean take on each topic ,understand the principles and solve problems mindfully at GMATClub ( first 500 level - when you reach 90% accuracy move to 600 level- when you reach 80% accuracy - you can move on to 700 level - when you reach 70% accuracy - you are ready with the topic)
3. For verbal any standard course is fine . But again going through it mindfully is the key. Another thing.... when solving problems ....... after you complete a set .... fo through each questions ......understand why the wrong choices are wrong and why the correct choice is the best one out of five- this process initially may take 30-45 mins for each Q ...its worth it ....it has a huge payback.
4. Again, I always keep telling myself ..... GMAT is like driving a car ..... so at least to be a safe driver, driving should become my second habit ( it takes time ).
5. But first and foremost take a break .... refresh yourself .... and then commit yourself.
6. Definitely go through the link below . ( It will help you to plan properly for success )
https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-study-p ... ml#p605856
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14 Dec 2018, 12:22
I can totally understand your situation and I am on same boat too.
I had written exam and got 640
(Q49 v29)
What I observed from my test experience.
I was really going great till 20question of quant but one question came ...and there I lost in solving it that I stopped checking the time and, when I came back in my sense I had only 15 mins remaining to solve rest of the section.

And for the verbal section ,being a non -native ,I have my weak points and I observed that I got 6 RC (which was the most difficult part to do) and I kinda lost my concentration.

I am gearing up again as bb and u1983 said, we need time management and good analysis on questions.

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14 Dec 2018, 12:29
Hi 11Cmereturns,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day did not go as well as hoped. Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How many hours were you studying each week? Did you take any "time off" from your studies (and if so, then when and for how long?)?
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15 Dec 2018, 07:39
Hi 11Cmereturns,

There are many people who experienced the same problem. Although they were frustrated, they did not give up. You can find them here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/best-gmat-st ... 98512.html

IMO, you start with fundamentals. If you know the material really well, you'll make less mistakes and your speed will improve naturally at the same time. The more you practice and learn about GMAT, the faster you'll go and the better you'll score. You can start with a new study plan:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-study-plan-217827.html
https://gmatclub.com/forum/all-you-need ... 40445.html

So don't give up, the harder the batttle, the sweeter the victory.
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17 Dec 2018, 00:13
Hi, 11Cmereturns

It seems that you are struggling with fluctuations in your score. Time pressure is one of the main reasons why most of the people lost their confidence and go through score drop. It’s not only your own problem, but also everyone has. To overcome those time frame problems, you should take a lot of mock tests under the same test condition.

However, to improve your score, you should have a strategy. As you want to hit the score over 650, we recommend you to get Q49-50, V28-29. You should improve both quant and verbal step by step. Considering that it is easier to improve quant than verbal, firstly making your solid quant score up to 49-50 could be one good way to quickly reach your goal. Our company(math revolution) is specialized in Quant, and based on our company’s data, students with Q32-33 spend 3-4 months on average to get Q49-50, assuming that they study at least 2-3 hours everyday. Depending on your effort and dedication, the duration could be shortened. Again, setting a solid strategy is really important.

We can guarantee improvement in quant score with our ‘variable approach’ for DS and ‘IVY approach’ for PS. To improve quant score quickly, the best way is to focus on the DS type of quant problems first. Our ’Variable Approach’ for DS that you have never seen before guarantees high accuracy and time efficiency. On average, our students improve +5 points on the quant and have about 10 minutes to spare before the math section ends. We apply ’variables–equations matching system’ to the DS questions, which is counting the number of variables and equations given in the question. By doing so, you can determine which answer choice will most likely be the answer.

Then, you can apply our ‘IVY approach’ to PS type questions. Our IVY approach for PS can give you lots of tips and techniques to find the answer quickly and easily. You can quickly solve the questions and have 10 minutes to spare.(More information about our approach: https://www.mathrevolution.com/gmat/vs)

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18 Dec 2018, 11:09
11Cmereturns wrote:
Took the gmat and ended up with 410 (Q32,V15,IR6). I feel lost

I was squeezed by the time frame and found myself doing nothing but making guesses at the end of each section and for multiple questions in row

I worked so hard during the past years to progress at work and my leadership activities, as per my application consultant I have such a great resume and set of awards and achievements but .. again .. the GMAT !

I did two mocks, I got 580 & 570 in Mnahattan prep’s first two mocks. I did the gmat perp first two exams long time back and got 580 & 460.

I feel than I wasnt ready during those past mocks so I spent hours and hours studying and solving problems on Magoosh and today I am here with my silly 410.

I really need your help, I would be happy with anything +650 but I don’t know how to start. I am lost

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18 Dec 2018, 18:28
HI 11Cmereturns,

I’m sorry to hear how things went with your GMAT. Although I don’t have a ton of details regarding your previous study routine, from what I can tell, it appears that your prep is centered on doing practice questions. While engaging in practice is a necessary part of improving your GMAT skills, such practice is only beneficial after you have studied the topics on which those questions are based. Moving forward, consider adjusting your study plan such that it allows for linear learning. Specifically, consider using a resource that allows you FIRST to learn the concepts and strategies related to GMAT quant and verbal and SECOND to practice with a large number of realistic questions.

For example, say you are learning about Number Properties. First, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey meanings that make sense. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. It may take time for you to see what you have to see. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may consider using an online self-study course, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

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