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If line L in the xy-coordinate plane has a positive slope, what is the x-intercept of L ?

(1) There are different points (a, b) and (c, d) on line L such that ad = bc. (2) There are constants m and n such that the points (m, n) and (–m, –n) are both on line L

Statement 1: ad =bc => b/a = d/c = m (assume) Each point lies on a line which passes through origin. (y=mx+c and c=0 making it y=mx)

So x intercept =0 . Sufficient

Statement 2: (m,n) and (-m,-n) on same line. m and -m are mirror image across Y axis. n and -n are mirror image across x axis. thus (m,n) and (-m,-n) are mirror image of each other across origin. Thus a line joining these points must go through origin.

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(1): a/b = c/d --> 2 points pass through the same slope. Note that k slope = y/x (y advances a units for for every unit x advances) --> line passes through 0 (y=kx) --> suff (2) (m,n) and (-m, -n) belong to (l) --> they are opposite of each other through the origin O --> suff

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smartass666 wrote:

If line L in the xy-coordinate plane has a positive slope, what is the x-intercept of L ?

(1) There are different points (a, b) and (c, d) on line L such that ad = bc.

(2) There are constants m and n such that the points (m, n) and (–m, –n) are both on line L

Given fact: Line L has a positive slope.

Statement 1) ad=bc, where(a,b) is different from (b,c) Now if you see the diagram, you will observe that the product of two "outer" values is greater than the product of two "inner"values. The first diagram clearly depicts a line passing through quadrants III, II and I , and is also a representative of other such lines. If you clearly see, the product of and d will only be equal to the product of b and c, only when they are either sides of origin and opposite to each other. (as shown in the other diagram)

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(1): a/b = c/d --> 2 points pass through the same slope. Note that k slope = y/x (y advances a units for for every unit x advances) --> line passes through 0 (y=kx) --> suff (2) (m,n) and (-m, -n) belong to (l) --> they are opposite of each other through the origin O --> suff

--> D

(1): a/b = c/d --> 2 points pass through the same slope. Note that k slope = y/x (y advances a units for for every unit x advances) --> line passes through 0 (y=kx) --> suff

Can some mathwiz clarify a little more on this. I do not understand how if a/b = c/d the line passes through the origin??

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ST 1: ad = cb for any 2 combination of points (a,b) and (c,d) that fulfils the equation ad = bc will pass through origin (as shown in attached graph) hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

St 2: (m,n) and (-m, -n) lie on the line. Any combination of points on a line that satisfy this equation will pass through origin hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

Ans is D

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srcc25anu wrote:

ST 1: ad = cb for any 2 combination of points (a,b) and (c,d) that fulfils the equation ad = bc will pass through origin (as shown in attached graph) hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

St 2: (m,n) and (-m, -n) lie on the line. Any combination of points on a line that satisfy this equation will pass through origin hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

Ans is D

With the risk of sounding especially dumb i wish to resubmit my doubts regarding this St 2 does make sense to me (m,n) and (-m,-n) are mirror images of each other about the origin. Thus they must lie on line y = x . GOT IT St 1 still unclear srcc25anu your graph is pretty neat but i just cannot comprehend how knowing that the product of x and y coordinates being equal (i.e x1*y1 = x2*y2) makes the line containing them pass though the origin Can i get a link to some articles where such nuances of coordinate geometry are explained in detail Apologies for being such a pain

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srcc25anu wrote:

ST 1: ad = cb for any 2 combination of points (a,b) and (c,d) that fulfils the equation ad = bc will pass through origin (as shown in attached graph) hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

St 2: (m,n) and (-m, -n) lie on the line. Any combination of points on a line that satisfy this equation will pass through origin hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

Ans is D

With the risk of sounding especially dumb i wish to resubmit my doubts regarding this St 2 does make sense to me (m,n) and (-m,-n) are mirror images of each other about the origin. Thus they must lie on line y = x . GOT IT St 1 still unclear srcc25anu your graph is pretty neat but i just cannot comprehend how knowing that the product of x and y coordinates being equal (i.e x1*y1 = x2*y2) makes the line containing them pass though the origin Can i get a link to some articles where such nuances of coordinate geometry are explained in detail Apologies for being such a pain

Just to keep you correct on ST2. The Line is Y=KX not Y=X. The slope may or may not be 1.

In case of ST2.

Slope of any line = (Y2 - Y1)/X2- X1 if point (X1,Y1) is origin then slope = Y2/X2

Similary, for any other point (X3,Y3) on same line

Slope = Y3/X3

Y3/X3 = Y2/X2 X2 * Y3 = Y2 * X3 ( This holds true for all lines passing through origin)

for points (a,b) & (c,d)

a * d = b * c ( This is what was given in question. )

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Dipankar,

To understand why stmt 1 is sufficient, let's revisit a line equation. A line is represented using y = mx +k in which m is the slope and k is the y-intercept.

Taking stmt 1, the m = d-b/c-a = d/c. Hence y = (d/c )x + k and to find k just use one of the points on the line. Using point (c, d) in the line y= (d/c)x + k gives k = 0. hence the equation of the line passing through points (a,b) and (c,d) is y = (d/c)x and to find x intercept set y = 0, which will result in x = 0.

Hope this is clear..

//kudos please, if this explanation helps you
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hikaps14 wrote:

Dipankar6435 wrote:

srcc25anu wrote:

ST 1: ad = cb for any 2 combination of points (a,b) and (c,d) that fulfils the equation ad = bc will pass through origin (as shown in attached graph) hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

St 2: (m,n) and (-m, -n) lie on the line. Any combination of points on a line that satisfy this equation will pass through origin hence SUFFICIENT (as x intercept = 0)

Ans is D

With the risk of sounding especially dumb i wish to resubmit my doubts regarding this St 2 does make sense to me (m,n) and (-m,-n) are mirror images of each other about the origin. Thus they must lie on line y = x . GOT IT St 1 still unclear srcc25anu your graph is pretty neat but i just cannot comprehend how knowing that the product of x and y coordinates being equal (i.e x1*y1 = x2*y2) makes the line containing them pass though the origin Can i get a link to some articles where such nuances of coordinate geometry are explained in detail Apologies for being such a pain

Just to keep you correct on ST2. The Line is Y=KX not Y=X. The slope may or may not be 1.

In case of ST2.

Slope of any line = (Y2 - Y1)/X2- X1 if point (X1,Y1) is origin then slope = Y2/X2

Similary, for any other point (X3,Y3) on same line

Slope = Y3/X3

Y3/X3 = Y2/X2 X2 * Y3 = Y2 * X3 ( This holds true for all lines passing through origin)

for points (a,b) & (c,d)

a * d = b * c ( This is what was given in question. )

Does this help ?

It helps greatly. Thanks So I can add this to my cheat sheet now- If y1/x1 = y2/x2 then the line containing the points (x1,y1) and (x2,y2) passes through the origin.

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If line L in the xy-coordinate plane has a positive slope, what is the x-intercept of L ?

(1) There are different points (a, b) and (c, d) on line L such that ad = bc.

(2) There are constants m and n such that the points (m, n) and (–m, –n) are both on line L

From F.S 1, we have that the slope of the given line is (d-b)/(c-a). Again, we have d = (bc)/a ; the slope is = b/a. Now in the equation, y = mx+c, just plugin the value of m = b/a and the point (a,b)--> we get c= 0, thus the line passes through the origin. The x intercept is 0.Sufficient.

From F.S 2, we have that both the points (m,n) and (-m,-n) lie on the same line.Thus, we can see that the mid-point of these 2 points is at the origin. Line passes through the origin, hence the x-intercept = 0. Sufficient.

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Hi Honchos, Let me try to explain: as you know eqn of line is y = mx + e (e is y intercept)

St1: Points (a,b) and (c,d) lies on above line. So b = ma + e ..(i) d = mc + e ..(ii) dividing (i) by (ii) we get b/d = (ma + e) / (mc + e). Also we know ad = bc. Thus b/d = a/c. Substituting in above we get: a/c = (ma + e) / (mc + e) (mac + ea) = (mac + ec) solving above, ea - ec = 0 --> e(a-c) = 0, from this we can say that either e = 0 or a = c. But a cannot be equal to c (as they are two different points). So e = 0. Final eqn; y = mx .. which indicates that line passes through origin. So x intercept = 0.

Sufficient.

st2: since (m,n) & (-m,-n) are two end points of segment passing through origin, and line l also contains this points, we can say that line l passes through origin. So x intercept = 0. Sufficient.

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i do have couple of questions on this

can we say the if coordinates like a,b and -a-b lie on line the it must passes threw origin ?? what if the line has negative slope and all the conditions are same .

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could you deliver a clear explanation on why the first statement is sufficient? I see a lot of comments jumping from m=(d-b)/(c-a) to m = d/c. I really don't quite understand how that happens.

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This looks like a humugously crazy problem but a little analysis of the concepts will help you reach the solution in 1:15 sec (The time I took ) First lets remove all the flab and look at the core of the question . y=mx+c x intercept so y=0 hence x=-c/m

So we need the value of C and the slope of the line.

Statement1- it is given (a,b) and (c,d) and ad=bc so manipulating the factors a/b=c/d=k . the ratio of all values of x coordinates and y coordinates will be the same only when the line passes throught the origin. x=y (equation of the line) . hence when y=0 then x=0 then Statemnt 1 is sufficient.

This can be proved algebraically too, let a=cb/d. now put the values in the equation of line y-y1=m(x-x1)

Statement 2: We have two point (m,n) and (-m,-n) and they both lie of the line L. Wow what will be the midpoint (0,0). Voila! you got it. The line passes through the origin. What else can you ask for. We have x=0 when y=0. Sufficienet

If line L in the xy-coordinate plane has a positive slope, what is the x-intercept of L ?

(1) There are different points (a, b) and (c, d) on line L such that ad = bc.

(2) There are constants m and n such that the points (m, n) and (–m, –n) are both on line L

Responding to a pm:

The equation of a line is y = mx + c We are given that m is positive. We need to find the x intercept.

(1) There are different points (a, b) and (c, d) on line L such that ad = bc.

So d/c = b/a = y co-ordinate/x co-ordinate

Equation of the line: y/x = m + c/x

So the value of y/x is dependent on the value of x and hence will change for every point on the line. If the value is the same for two distinct points, it means c = 0. So the equation of the line is y = mx and it passes through (0, 0) and has x intercept as 0. Sufficient

(2) There are constants m and n such that the points (m, n) and (–m, –n) are both on line L Again, since -n/-m = n/m, we have that y/x is same for two distinct points. So by the same logic as above, this statement is also sufficient alone.

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