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# If n is a positive integer, and r is the remainder when

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If n is a positive integer and r is the remainder when 4 + 7n is divided by 3, what is the value of r?

(1) n+1 is divisible by 3
(2) n>20.

Originally posted by LM on 27 Apr 2010, 09:45.
Last edited by Bunuel on 14 Mar 2012, 05:48, edited 1 time in total.
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If n is a positive integer, and r is the remainder when 4 + 7n is divided by 3, what is the value of r?

r is the remainder when 4n+7 is divided by 3 --> $$4+7n=3q+r$$, where $$r$$ is an integer $$0\leq{r}<3$$. $$r=?$$

(1) n+1 is divisible by 3 --> $$n+1=3k$$, or $$n=3k-1$$ --> $$4+7(3k-1)=3q+r$$ --> $$3(7k-1-q)=r$$ --> so $$r$$ is multiple of 3, but it's an integer in the range $$0\leq{r}<3$$. Only multiple of 3 in this range is 0 --> $$r=0$$. Sufficient.

(2) n>20. Clearly not sufficient. $$n=21$$, $$4+7n=151=3q+r$$, $$r=1$$ BUT $$n=22$$, $$4+7n=158=3q+r$$, $$r=2$$. Not sufficient.

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27 Apr 2010, 10:29
Bunuel wrote:
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If n is an integer, and r is the remainder when 4+7n is divided by 3, what is the value of r?

r is the remainder when 4n+7 is divided by 3 --> $$4+7n=3q+r$$, where $$r$$ is an integer $$0\leq{r}<3$$. $$r=?$$

(1) n+1 is divisible by 3 --> $$n+1=3k$$, or $$n=3k-1$$ --> $$4+7(3k-1)=3q+r$$ --> $$3(7k-1-p)=r$$ --> so $$r$$ is multiple of 3, but it's an integer in the range $$0\leq{r}<3$$. Only multiple of 3 in this range is 0 --> $$r=0$$. Sufficient.

(2) n>20. Clearly not sufficient. $$n=21$$, $$4+7n=151=3q+r$$, $$r=1$$ BUT $$n=22$$, $$4+7n=158=3q+r$$, $$r=2$$. Not sufficient.

P.S. Please post DS questions in DS subforum.

Thanks for detailed explanation. Sorry...in a haste I posted the DS questions in different forum. I will rectify this mistake next time onwards. Exam date is nearby ..so was in haste to get the explanations...thanks again..

You mentioned the $$0\leq{r}<3$$ above, because remainder can't be more than the divisor. Is this correct?
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29 Apr 2010, 22:47
LM wrote:

You mentioned the $$0\leq{r}<3$$ above, because remainder can't be more than the divisor. Is this correct?

Yes, you are right.
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27 Jul 2010, 16:21
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i think i may have an easier way....
s1) 7n+4 = (6n+3)+(n+1)
if (n+1)/3 = an integer, so must 3 times (n+1)....which is (6n+3)
s2) Obviously NS
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i think i may have an easier way....
s1) 7n+4 = (6n+3)+(n+1)
if (n+1)/3 = an integer, so must 3 times (n+1)....which is (6n+3)
s2) Obviously NS

Little correction: 3 times (n+1) is 3n+3 not (6n+3).

But you are right, we can solve with this approach as well:

(1) n+1 is divisible by 3 --> $$7n+4=(4n+4)+3n=4(n+1)+3n$$ --> $$4(n+1)$$ is divisible by 3 as $$n+1$$ is, and $$3n$$ is obviously divisible by 3 as it has 3 as multiple, thus their sum, $$7n+4$$, is also divisible by 3, which means that remainder upon division $$7n+4$$ by 3 will be 0. Sufficient.

Hope it's clear.
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If n is a positive integer and r is the remainder when 4+7n is divided by 3. What is the value of r?

1) n+1 is divisible by 3
2) n>20

7n+4=3(2n+1) + n+1

So remainder when divided by 3 will be same as remainder left by n+1

1) sufficient ... Gives the answer
2) insufficient ... Irrelevant. Eg n= 22,23,24 all are possible

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30 Sep 2010, 22:45
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7n+4=3(2n+1) + n+1

So remainder when divided by 3 will be same as remainder left by n+1

Can you explain how you get to 7n+4=3(2n+1)?
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The information in the statement A is used favorably to tweak the equation in the question.

Hence 7n+4 becomes 3(2n+1) + (n+1). Now since 3(2n+1) leaves a remainder 0 when divided by 3, the remainder of 7n+4 will be the same as the remainder of (n+1).

Since (n+1) is also given in option A to be divisible by 3, hence remainder 0. Statement A is sufficient.
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30 Sep 2010, 22:56
Michmax3 wrote:
Can you explain how you get to 7n+4=3(2n+1)?

Just trying to split it out into parts divisible by 3
7n becomes 6n+n
4 becomes 3+1
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01 Oct 2010, 10:25
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Can you explain how you get to 7n+4=3(2n+1)?

Just trying to split it out into parts divisible by 3
7n becomes 6n+n
4 becomes 3+1

Thanks I see it now...btw is your avatar from the opening credits of Dexter?
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01 Oct 2010, 10:36
Michmax3 wrote:
shrouded1 wrote:
Michmax3 wrote:
Can you explain how you get to 7n+4=3(2n+1)?

Just trying to split it out into parts divisible by 3
7n becomes 6n+n
4 becomes 3+1

Thanks I see it now...btw is your avatar from the opening credits of Dexter?

YES !!

It took me a lot of time to erase the credits which were in deep red painted right across the face and still maintain a semblance of originality in the image ....
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01 Oct 2010, 10:50
I even replaced my facebook photo with this one
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01 Oct 2010, 23:26
Profound identity question:

isnt "ezhilkumarank" the one with the dexter image?!! and not shrouded...
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02 Oct 2010, 00:05
there is the cartoon dexter .... and then there is the serial killer dexter

very different things !
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20 Oct 2010, 23:26
Why am i getting negative Reminder here?

Given: 4 + 7n = 3q + r

If we simplify this further,

7n = 3q + r -4
n = (3q/7) + (r-4)/7
n + 1 = (3q/7) + (r-4)/7 + 1 ----- (1)

But From Statement 1, n+1 is divisible by 3.
So, (1) is divisible by 3 and hence the reminder is Zero
i.e., (r-4/7) + 1 = 0 ==> r = -3

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1) n+1 = 3k and 7(n+1) = 7*3k
so, 7n+7 is divisible by 3. this means that 7n+4 must also be divisible by 3.
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1) n+1 = 3 X (X is your Quotient) + 0(Remainder)
n+1=3X
Any Multiple of N+1 will be divisible by 3
Multiply by 7 --> 7(n+1)
So 7n+7 is divisible by 3 , implies 7n+4 is divisible by 3.

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2) n> 20 --- NS
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Q. What is r?

(1). (n+1) div by 3

By question stem we know that

4 + 7n = 3Q + r

Splitting the equation as below

4+4n+3n = 3Q + r

=> 3n + 4 (n+1) = 3Q + r

LHS is divisible by 3 as (n+1) is div by 3, so RHS should also be divisible by 3 hence r should be 0

(2).

4 + 7n = 3Q +r

Case 1: n=21

4 + 7*21 = 3Q +r

LHS gives 4 as remainder when divided by 3 so r=4

Case 2: n=22

4 + 7*22 = 3Q + r

No info about r, hence inconsistent

(A) it is!
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As n is +ve, so to fulfill the condition that (n+1) is divisible by 3,
n can be 2, 5, 8, 11, 14
and for these values, when (4+7n) is divided by 3, it leaves remainder 0 everytime.
so (1) is sufficient.

(2) n>20 is not required as for 0<n<20, we get the same remainder as for n>20.

Correct me if this method is wrong.
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