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If x>0, y<0 and z<0,\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\)=?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)
B.\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)
C.\(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)
E.\(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)


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Because all its the square of the sum of absolute values, it MUST be >=0. Only C is the option which has outcome of each combination as positive. So i went with C as answer.
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If x>0, y<0 and z<0, (|x|+|y|+|z|)^2=?

A. x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx
B. x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx
C. x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx
D. x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx
E. x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx

==> |A|=A when A>0 ,and |A|=-A when A<0.
So, (|x|+|y|+|z|)^2=(x-y-z)^2=x^2+(-y)^2+(-z)^2+2x(-y)+2(-y)(-z)+2(-z)x
=x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx.
Therefore, the answer is C.
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Are you sure C is the answer?
The question says that y and z are negative, agree. But here we need to find the square of the sm of three absolute values, not three integers. If the question asked for (x+y+z)^2 I would have agreed. But here we have three absolute values which are always positive or equal to zero by definition.
Probably I'm missing something...could you please explain?
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Are you sure C is the answer?
The question says that y and z are negative, agree. But here we need to find the square of the sm of three absolute values, not three integers. If the question asked for (x+y+z)^2 I would have agreed. But here we have three absolute values which are always positive or equal to zero by definition.
Probably I'm missing something...could you please explain?
Thanks :)

You are correct in your definition of the absolute value but you can not have (|x|+|y|+|z|)^2 = 0 as x, y ,z are NON zero numbers. What should according to you be the answer if not for C?
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Are you sure C is the answer?
The question says that y and z are negative, agree. But here we need to find the square of the sm of three absolute values, not three integers. If the question asked for (x+y+z)^2 I would have agreed. But here we have three absolute values which are always positive or equal to zero by definition.
Probably I'm missing something...could you please explain?
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Hi,
you are correct it will not effect the mod values ..
But the choices are not in mod values but integers, and that i swhy we have to see if the choices match the given conditions..
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I am confused too!
How will I know whether or not to take mods seriously when the correct answer is otherwise!
The question says tis asking us to find the square of three absolute values, not three integers.
Where am i wrong here??
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Are you sure C is the answer?
The question says that y and z are negative, agree. But here we need to find the square of the sm of three absolute values, not three integers. If the question asked for (x+y+z)^2 I would have agreed. But here we have three absolute values which are always positive or equal to zero by definition.
Probably I'm missing something...could you please explain?
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Hi,
you are correct it will not effect the mod values ..
But the choices are not in mod values but integers, and that i swhy we have to see if the choices match the given conditions..

Answer can be A


Hi,
substitute x as 2 and y and z as -1 to check the answer..
If x>0, y<0 and z<0,\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2= (2+1+1)^2 = 16\)..

But lets substitute values in A.
\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx = 2^2+(-1)^2+(-1)^2+2*2*(-1)+2*(-1)*(-1)+2*2*(-1) = 4+1+1-4+2-4=0\)...NOT equal to 16..

lets see C
\(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx = 2^2+(-1)^2+(-1)^2-2*2*(-1)+2*(-1)*(-1)-2*2*(-1) = 4+1+1+4+2+4=16\)... equal to 16..

So C is CORRECT
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If x>0, y<0 and z<0,\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\)=?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)
B.\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)
C.\(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)
E.\(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)


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Once we remove the mod sign.
{x + (-y) + (-z)}^2, using the formula we get C.

Concept tested:
lxl = x, x>=0
= (-x), x<0
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(a + b + c) 2 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(ab + bc + ca)

now modx. mody = +ve * +ve

shouldn't the answer be A.

Irrespective of the individual signs of x,y,z 2*modx*mody is a positive.

I strongly feel the answer should be A and not C. Could you please clear this for me?

Thanks.
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i see why one would opt for C.

If you read the question as: which of these would give you value equal to (modx + mody + modz)2 then answer is C.

on the other hand if you expand (modx + mody + modz)2 you'd get A.

Isn't the question asking you what is the value of (modx + mody + modz)2?
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If x>0, y<0 and z<0,\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\)=?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)
B.\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)
C.\(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)
E.\(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)


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Plug in some values and try

\(x = 1\) ; \(y = -1\) & \(z = -2\)

So, \((|x|+|y|+|z|)= ( 1 + 1 + 2 ) = 4\)

Now, \((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\) = 16[/m]

Now, Plug in the values in the given options you will definitely land up with the correct Answer as (C)
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If x>0, y<0 and z<0,\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\)=?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)
B.\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)
C.\(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)
E.\(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)


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­Help me understand this, if we put all 3 in mod, it clearly means we need to compute all values as +ve, then why the answer is C??
 
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While I get the logic behind the negative sign to make it positive, I still don't understand why we need to do that to absolute values. Because |-2| = 2, so |Y|, Y, which is negative = Y. And then once it is multiplied by 2x, it should remain positive as the absolute value brackets when opened keep it as a positive. So by adding the - (or multiplying by -1), are we not just contradicting ourselves?
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­Help me understand this, if we put all 3 in mod, it clearly means we need to compute all values as +ve, then why the answer is C?
 
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While I get the logic behind the negative sign to make it positive, I still don't understand why we need to do that to absolute values. Because |-2| = 2, so |Y|, Y, which is negative = Y. And then once it is multiplied by 2x, it should remain positive as the absolute value brackets when opened keep it as a positive. So by adding the - (or multiplying by -1), are we not just contradicting ourselves?
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If x > 0, y < 0 and z < 0, \((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\) = ?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)

B. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)

C. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)

D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)

E. \(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)­

\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2 =\)

\(=|x|^2+|y|^2+|z|^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|\)
Since \(|a|^2 = a^2\), then we'd get:

\(|x|^2+|y|^2+|z|^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|=\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|\)
Next, \(x > 0\) implies \(|x| = x\);  \(y < 0\) implies \(|y| = -y\); and \(z < 0\) implies \(|z| = -z\). Hence, we'd have:

\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|=\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2+2x*(-y)+2(-y)*(-z)+2(-z)*x =\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
Answer: C.­
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While I get the logic behind the negative sign to make it positive, I still don't understand why we need to do that to absolute values. Because |-2| = 2, so |Y|, Y, which is negative = Y. And then once it is multiplied by 2x, it should remain positive as the absolute value brackets when opened keep it as a positive. So by adding the - (or multiplying by -1), are we not just contradicting ourselves?
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If x > 0, y < 0 and z < 0, \((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2\) = ?

A. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)

B. \(x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy-2yz+2zx\)

C. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)

D. \(x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy-2yz-2zx\)

E. \(x^2-y^2-z^2+2xy+2yz+2zx\)­


\((|x|+|y|+|z|)^2 =\)

\(=|x|^2+|y|^2+|z|^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|\)
Since \(|a|^2 = a^2\), then we'd get:


\(|x|^2+|y|^2+|z|^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|=\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|\)
Next, \(x > 0\) implies \(|x| = x\);  \(y < 0\) implies \(|y| = -y\); and \(z < 0\) implies \(|z| = -z\). Hence, we'd have:


\(x^2+y^2+z^2+2|x|*|y|+2|y|*|z|+2|z|*|x|=\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2+2x*(-y)+2(-y)*(-z)+2(-z)*x =\)

\(=x^2+y^2+z^2-2xy+2yz-2zx\)
Answer: C.­
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