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sqrt(y-1)^2 ---> You cannot calculate square root of negative number.

B is correct as Bunuel said.
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If x=3/4 and y=2/5 , what is the value of sqrt(x+3)^2 - sqrt(y-1)^2 ?


a. 87/20
b. 63/20
c. 47/20
d. 15/4
e. 14/5


Bunuel: Please can you clarify this concept. Thanks

x = sqrt(25) -> x = 5
x^2 = 25 -> x = |5|

Please don't reword the questions. Original question is:

If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

Note that \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\)

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}=\sqrt{(x+3)^2}-\sqrt{(y-1)^2}=|x+3|-|y-1|=|\frac{3}{4}+3|-|\frac{2}{5}-1|=|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}=\frac{63}{20}\)

Answer: B.

As for your question:

The point here is that square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

About \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): from above we have that \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\). But what does \(\sqrt{x^2}\) equal to?

Let's consider following examples:
If \(x=5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=x=positive\);
If \(x=-5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=-x=positive\).

So we got that:
\(\sqrt{x^2}=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\);
\(\sqrt{x^2}=-x\), if \(x<0\).

What function does exactly the same thing? The absolute value function: \(|x|=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\) and \(|x|=-x\), if \(x<0\). That is why \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel,

In this step: \(|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}\)

How did you take \(|-\frac{3}{5}| as \frac{3}{5}\) because \(\sqrt{(y-1)^2}\)= |y-1| and now |y-1| can have two values (y-1), if y-1>0 => y>1 or -(y-1) if y-1<0 => y<1 .... and here y is given as 2/5 (y<1), that means value of \(\sqrt{(y-1)^2}\) = |y-1| = -(y-1)
that means
\(|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-(-\frac{3}{5}) = \frac{15}{4}+\frac{3}{5} = \frac{87}{20}\)

please, let me know if I am doing anything wrong here.


thanks

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If x=3/4 and y=2/5 , what is the value of sqrt(x+3)^2 - sqrt(y-1)^2 ?


a. 87/20
b. 63/20
c. 47/20
d. 15/4
e. 14/5


Bunuel: Please can you clarify this concept. Thanks

x = sqrt(25) -> x = 5
x^2 = 25 -> x = |5|

Please don't reword the questions. Original question is:

If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

Note that \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\)

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}=\sqrt{(x+3)^2}-\sqrt{(y-1)^2}=|x+3|-|y-1|=|\frac{3}{4}+3|-|\frac{2}{5}-1|=|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}=\frac{63}{20}\)

Answer: B.

As for your question:

The point here is that square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

About \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): from above we have that \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\). But what does \(\sqrt{x^2}\) equal to?

Let's consider following examples:
If \(x=5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=x=positive\);
If \(x=-5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=-x=positive\).

So we got that:
\(\sqrt{x^2}=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\);
\(\sqrt{x^2}=-x\), if \(x<0\).

What function does exactly the same thing? The absolute value function: \(|x|=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\) and \(|x|=-x\), if \(x<0\). That is why \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel,

In this step: \(|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}\)

How did you take \(|-\frac{3}{5}| as \frac{3}{5}\) because \(\sqrt{(y-1)^2}\)= |y-1| and now |y-1| can have two values (y-1), if y-1>0 => y>1 or -(y-1) if y-1<0 => y<1 .... and here y is given as 2/5 (y<1), that means value of \(\sqrt{(y-1)^2}\) = |y-1| = -(y-1)
that means
\(|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-(-\frac{3}{5}) = \frac{15}{4}+\frac{3}{5} = \frac{87}{20}\)

please, let me know if I am doing anything wrong here.


thanks

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Without any connection to where it came from, \(|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{3}{5}\). Absolute value expresses distance and can never be negative.
\(|y-1|\) can never have two values. \(|8|=8\), while \(|-8|=-(-8)=8\).
So, \(|y-1|=|2/5-1|=1-2/5=3/5\) or \(|2/5-1|=|-3/5|=3/5.\)
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hi Evajager,

if that the case then can please tell me why bunuel is considering "-x" here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-x-0-then-root-x-x-is-100303.html#p773743

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if that the case then can please tell me why bunuel is considering "-x" here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-x-0-then-root-x-x-is-100303.html#p773743

thanks,

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If \(x<0\), then \(|x|=-x\). \(|-8|=8=-(-8)\). If \(x>0\), then \(|x|= x. \,\,|0|=0.\)
\(|x|\) means the distance on the number line between \(x\) and \(0.\)
Distance between \(5\) and \(0\) is the same as the distance between \(-5\) and \(0.\)
So, when the number is positive, absolute value of it is the number itself.
When the number is negative, the absolute value of the number is that number without the minus sign.
There is no mathematical operation of "drop the sign of the negative number." But if we multiply a negative number by \(-1\),
we get that number without its negative sign.
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If x=3/4 and y=2/5 , what is the value of sqrt(x+3)^2 - sqrt(y-1)^2 ?


a. 87/20
b. 63/20
c. 47/20
d. 15/4
e. 14/5


Bunuel: Please can you clarify this concept. Thanks

x = sqrt(25) -> x = 5
x^2 = 25 -> x = |5|

Please don't reword the questions. Original question is:

If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

Note that \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\)

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}=\sqrt{(x+3)^2}-\sqrt{(y-1)^2}=|x+3|-|y-1|=|\frac{3}{4}+3|-|\frac{2}{5}-1|=|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}=\frac{63}{20}\)

Answer: B.

As for your question:

The point here is that square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

About \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): from above we have that \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\). But what does \(\sqrt{x^2}\) equal to?

Let's consider following examples:
If \(x=5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=x=positive\);
If \(x=-5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=-x=positive\).

So we got that:
\(\sqrt{x^2}=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\);
\(\sqrt{x^2}=-x\), if \(x<0\).

What function does exactly the same thing? The absolute value function: \(|x|=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\) and \(|x|=-x\), if \(x<0\). That is why \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel,

I have got lil confused here.. if x^2=25 => x=sqrt(25) => x=5 right ?
then why x^2=25 => +5,-5
if the above can be written as x^2=25 => x=sqrt(25) => x=5 ?
Please help me understand this !!

Thanks a ton in advance :-D
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If x=3/4 and y=2/5 , what is the value of sqrt(x+3)^2 - sqrt(y-1)^2 ?


a. 87/20
b. 63/20
c. 47/20
d. 15/4
e. 14/5


Bunuel: Please can you clarify this concept. Thanks

x = sqrt(25) -> x = 5
x^2 = 25 -> x = |5|

Please don't reword the questions. Original question is:

If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

Note that \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\)

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}=\sqrt{(x+3)^2}-\sqrt{(y-1)^2}=|x+3|-|y-1|=|\frac{3}{4}+3|-|\frac{2}{5}-1|=|\frac{15}{4}|-|-\frac{3}{5}|=\frac{15}{4}-\frac{3}{5}=\frac{63}{20}\)

Answer: B.

As for your question:

The point here is that square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

About \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): from above we have that \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\). But what does \(\sqrt{x^2}\) equal to?

Let's consider following examples:
If \(x=5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=x=positive\);
If \(x=-5\) --> \(\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}=5=-x=positive\).

So we got that:
\(\sqrt{x^2}=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\);
\(\sqrt{x^2}=-x\), if \(x<0\).

What function does exactly the same thing? The absolute value function: \(|x|=x\), if \(x\geq{0}\) and \(|x|=-x\), if \(x<0\). That is why \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\).

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel,

I have got lil confused here.. if x^2=25 => x=sqrt(25) => x=5 right ?
then why x^2=25 => +5,-5
if the above can be written as x^2=25 => x=sqrt(25) => x=5 ?
Please help me understand this !!

Thanks a ton in advance :-D

\(x^2=25\) has two solutions: \(x=\sqrt{25}=5\) and \(x=-\sqrt{25}=-5\).
But, \(\sqrt{25}=5\), because square root function cannot give negative result.

Hope it's clear.
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thanks bunuel. you r right but i don't understand the below thing in math:

why is root [(-3)square] not equal to -3

Why is it equal to 3 and not -3?
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thanks bunuel. you r right but i don't understand the below thing in math:

why is root [(-3)square] not equal to -3

Why is it equal to 3 and not -3?

That's explained in my post above: if-x-3-4-and-y-2-5-what-is-the-value-of-110071.html#p880130

Square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

Thus, \(\sqrt{(-3)^2}=\sqrt{9}=3\).

Or, applying \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): \(\sqrt{(-3)^2}=|-3|=3\).

Hope it's clear.
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thanks bunuel. you r right but i don't understand the below thing in math:

why is root [(-3)square] not equal to -3

Why is it equal to 3 and not -3?

That's explained in my post above: if-x-3-4-and-y-2-5-what-is-the-value-of-110071.html#p880130

Square root function can not give negative result --> \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) --> \(\sqrt{25}=5\) (not +5 and -5). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and -5, because both 5^2 and (-5)^2 equal to 25.

Thus, \(\sqrt{(-3)^2}=\sqrt{9}=3\).

Or, applying \(\sqrt{x^2}=|x|\): \(\sqrt{(-3)^2}=|-3|=3\).

Hope it's clear.

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If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

y-1 turns to 1-y as y is less than 1 , once this is recognized its done

x+ 3 - (1-y) = x plus y plus 2 = 23/20 plus 2
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If x=3/4 and y=2/5 What is the value of (sq. rt)(x^2+6x+9) - (sq. rt)(y^2-2y+1)

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

(sq. rt)(x^2+6x+9)
(sq. rt)(x+3)*(x+3)
(sq. rt)(x+3)^2
|x+3|
(sq. rt)(y^2-2y+1)
(sq. rt)(y-1)*(y-1)
(sq. rt)(y-1)^2
|y-1|
SO
|x+3|-|y-1|

|3/4 + 3| - |2/5-1|
|15/4| - |-3/5|
|75/20| - |-12/20|
|75/20| - |12/20|
=63/20
(B)
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This question is asking us to recognize that the expression under the roots are perfect squares.
we can write x^2+ 6*x+ 9 as (x+3)^2 and the other one as (y-1)^2.
sqroot((x+3)^2) = sqroot ((15/4)^2) = 15/4
sqroot((y-1)^2) = sqroot((0.4-1)^2) = sqroot((-0.6)^2). Now since we are first squaring and then taking root the result is 0.6.
As Bunuel pointed out the sqroot(x^2) is equivalent to |x|. We don't have to necessarily work out the absolute value function as long as we do squaring and then taking the root. The answer then is 15/4-6/10 which is choice B.
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If \(x=\frac{3}{4}\) and \(y=\frac{2}{5}\), what is the value of \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ?

A. 87/20
B. 63/20
C. 47/20
D. 15/4
E. 14/5

You can approximate too if perfect square doesn't come to mind.

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\)

\(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}\) --->
3/4 square is 9/16 which is slightly more than 0.5
3/4 of 6 is 4.5
So .5 + 4.5 + 9 is 14 and its square root is slightly less than 4, say about 3.7

\(\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1}\) ---->
2/5 square is 4/25 which is very small.
2/5 of 2 is 0.8
So -0.8 + 1 = 1/5 and its square root is about 1/2.2 which is 0.5

So \(\sqrt{x^2 +6x +9}-\sqrt{y^2 -2y +1} = 3.7 - 0.5 = 3.2\) (slightly more than 3)

Only option (B) is slightly more than 3.
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I just plugged in the values of x and y and solved in 2.5 minutes (Correct)
Man, these perfect squares never click me.!

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