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I have got an admit to IMD MBA 1 year program . I also want to apply for Kellog 1 year program .

My post MBA goals are :

General management or short stint in MBB and then shift back to industry

My long term career aims are to rise in industry and take a global leadership role (CEO if I have to define it ). Also my aim to do MBA is more long term and the only short term goals ,I am really interested is global mobility ,leadership training and a possible career fast tracking

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Also I am already 33 and a bit old for most traditional programs and hence felt IMD /INSEAD /Kellogs 1 year are the only good fit . My USD equivalent salary is already close to USD 150 k ++ and thus I may not get fantastic financial returns in short term
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I have got an admit to IMD MBA 1 year program . I also want to apply for Kellog 1 year program .

My post MBA goals are :

General management or short stint in MBB and then shift back to industry

My long term career aims are to rise in industry and take a global leadership role (CEO if I have to define it ). Also my aim to do MBA is more long term and the only short term goals ,I am really interested is global mobility ,leadership training and a possible career fast tracking

Current Profile
General Management

Also I am already 33 and a bit old for most traditional programs and hence felt IMD /INSEAD /Kellogs 1 year are the only good fit . My USD equivalent salary is already close to USD 150 k ++ and thus I may not get fantastic financial returns in short term




Hi 1Maverick1234


First of all you are not old for anything, forget that.

Congrats on being admitted to IMD.

Great school, maybe best business school in Switzerland and one of top in Europe.


But, if you get admission to Kellogg, go to Kellogg.

As per Economist, Kellogg is number 1 in the world in their rankings :

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/full ... ba-ranking

INSEAD is placed on 21. and IMD on 29. place.


You can find more detailed relevant info here, about all three mentioned schools :

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/nort ... ement/2017

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/insead/2017

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/imd- ... pment/2017



As per opinion of applicants here on GMAT Club Kellogg comes second after Harvard, INSEAD comes on 8 place.


Financial Times (traditionally biased toward European/Asian schools, on the expense of American ) has slightly different opinion in Global MBA Rankings for 2018, INSEAD comes second, Kellogg comes on 12. place and IMD is on 24. place.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


You mention your current salary, so IMD graduates have Weighted salary (US$)156,908 and Salary percentage increase
of 79 %.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


INSEAD is better in those terms, Weighted salary (US$) 177,157 and Salary percentage increase of 105%, which means double.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


Finally, Kellogg is near INSEAD with Weighted salary (US$) 168,608 and Salary percentage increase of 103%.

Just 10k difference :)

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


US News places Kellogg on 6. place in US only rankings, for 2019 :

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... a-rankings


Bloomberg places Kellogg on 8. place for 2017. Best Biz schools rankings:

https://www.bloombergmedia.com/press/bl ... s-schools/


Finally, Forbes places Kellogg on 4. place in 2017 rankings:

https://www.forbes.com/business-schools/list/


Kellogg has 5-Year MBA Gain of $84.8 K, Years to Payback ratio of 3.9, and post MBA salary of $195 K, according to Forbes.

Pretty solid figures.

So, the answer is that you should go to Kellogg, which is the best school overall, according to various rankings, and especially if you want to say to work in US, due to brand recognition and preference toward US schools in US market.

Having said that, you cannot go wrong with INSEAD or IMD, those all are great top schools and that would be especially wise if you want to relocate in EU (or Asia) to work later, although Kellogg will serve for that purpose just fine also.

If you want to gain different life and cultural experience then certainly INSEAD and IMD come into play.


Hope this extensive research and figures presented will help you to decide.

Below, you will find attached comparison of all three schools, by Economist application.


Good luck and inform us on your final decision ! ;)
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Thanks so much for detailed reply. However having done extensive research , I still need clarifications on below

1)FT rankings : While they are the premier rankings ,I went through their detailed methodology and seems they use some weird PPP equivalency to calculate rankings . I researched for rankings since 2004 and saw IMD had been consistently in top 10-15 except last few years . They have fallen few years in rankings and that is more concerning than absolute rank (which in my belief doesn't reveal the true potential of IMD).My more serious question is the fall in IMD rankings ,signal of something inherently wrong at the place or more indicative of some local aspects (relationship of certain faculty with ranking people , temp focus on some other things ). If I were to wear my finance hat ,is this time for bottom fishing at IMD ?

2)I am targeting 1 year program at Kellogs .How is reputation of Kellogs 1 year vis 1 year programs at IMD and INSEAD .I have no doubt that Kellogs 2 year is a great program and if I were 27-29 and had an option to choose between Kellogg 2 year and IMD ,I would have chosen the former , simply because its a better school for that age group.However for someone who is already at middle management ,and is doing an MBA for a career upswing/industry change and global mobility (only 2 of 3-industry,fucntion and geography),how does IMD 1 yr compare with Kellogg 1 year . I haven't read much about 1 year program and have a feeling that most recruiters at campus would be coming keeping in profile for a 2 year candidate. I have listed the pros and cons as below

IMD Pros

1)Stronger reputation for 1 year program ; specially in Europe
2)Recruiters generally have a perception that IMD grads are more mature ,specially for general management roles. Very strong brand for general management , I would say IMD is to general mgmt what INSEAD is to consulting
3)Extremely strong industry linkages (though I don't know how exactly it compares with kellog)
4)Overall program experience . I had a discussion with few IMD alums and they specifically pointed to program as being a transformative experience . I couldn't get any similar feedback from alums of Kellogs.


Kellog Pros
1)Overall Kellog brand ;much more strong than IMD ;specially in US . In Europe ,IMD and Kellogg would be similar (comments?). In Asia ,I have no clue which is stronger but I will presume Kellog might be stronger
2)Alumni base :Much wider alumni base ;considering that IMD graduates only 90 per year which Kellogs graduates several multiples of the figure. IMD people tend to claim that IMD has a wider alumni base ;considering the number of people graduating from their open programs. However I have my doubts how helpful alumni from open programs would be . B Schools are more about networking than anything else .
3)Consulting : Kellogs seems slightly stronger ;which is an option I want to keep open ,though my long term goals are more aligned towards general management
4)In terms of global mobility , I think US is much more open in granting work visas than EU countries . It will be great if someone can throw more light on this aspect

3) Geographically ,I have no specific love or hate for US . The profile and career growth is more important.However I will certainly like my options open for Asia ,as I an Asian





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1Maverick1234 wrote:
Hi

I have got an admit to IMD MBA 1 year program . I also want to apply for Kellog 1 year program .

My post MBA goals are :

General management or short stint in MBB and then shift back to industry

My long term career aims are to rise in industry and take a global leadership role (CEO if I have to define it ). Also my aim to do MBA is more long term and the only short term goals ,I am really interested is global mobility ,leadership training and a possible career fast tracking

Current Profile
General Management

Also I am already 33 and a bit old for most traditional programs and hence felt IMD /INSEAD /Kellogs 1 year are the only good fit . My USD equivalent salary is already close to USD 150 k ++ and thus I may not get fantastic financial returns in short term




Hi 1Maverick1234


First of all you are not old for anything, forget that.

Congrats on being admitted to IMD.

Great school, maybe best business school in Switzerland and one of top in Europe.


But, if you get admission to Kellogg, go to Kellogg.

As per Economist, Kellogg is number 1 in the world in their rankings :

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/full ... ba-ranking

INSEAD is placed on 21. and IMD on 29. place.


You can find more detailed relevant info here, about all three mentioned schools :

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/nort ... ement/2017

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/insead/2017

https://www.economist.com/whichmba/imd- ... pment/2017



As per opinion of applicants here on GMAT Club Kellogg comes second after Harvard, INSEAD comes on 8 place.


Financial Times (traditionally biased toward European/Asian schools, on the expense of American ) has slightly different opinion in Global MBA Rankings for 2018, INSEAD comes second, Kellogg comes on 12. place and IMD is on 24. place.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


You mention your current salary, so IMD graduates have Weighted salary (US$)156,908 and Salary percentage increase
of 79 %.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


INSEAD is better in those terms, Weighted salary (US$) 177,157 and Salary percentage increase of 105%, which means double.

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


Finally, Kellogg is near INSEAD with Weighted salary (US$) 168,608 and Salary percentage increase of 103%.

Just 10k difference :)

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolra ... nking-2018


US News places Kellogg on 6. place in US only rankings, for 2019 :

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sc ... a-rankings


Bloomberg places Kellogg on 8. place for 2017. Best Biz schools rankings:

https://www.bloombergmedia.com/press/bl ... s-schools/


Finally, Forbes places Kellogg on 4. place in 2017 rankings:

https://www.forbes.com/business-schools/list/


Kellogg has 5-Year MBA Gain of $84.8 K, Years to Payback ratio of 3.9, and post MBA salary of $195 K, according to Forbes.

Pretty solid figures.

So, the answer is that you should go to Kellogg, which is the best school overall, according to various rankings, and especially if you want to say to work in US, due to brand recognition and preference toward US schools in US market.

Having said that, you cannot go wrong with INSEAD or IMD, those all are great top schools and that would be especially wise if you want to relocate in EU (or Asia) to work later, although Kellogg will serve for that purpose just fine also.

If you want to gain different life and cultural experience then certainly INSEAD and IMD come into play.


Hope this extensive research and figures presented will help you to decide.

Below, you will find attached comparison of all three schools, by Economist application.


Good luck and inform us on your final decision ! ;)
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New post 30 Jun 2018, 07:22
1Maverick1234 wrote:
Hi

I have got an admit to IMD MBA 1 year program . I also want to apply for Kellog 1 year program .

My post MBA goals are :

General management or short stint in MBB and then shift back to industry

My long term career aims are to rise in industry and take a global leadership role (CEO if I have to define it ). Also my aim to do MBA is more long term and the only short term goals ,I am really interested is global mobility ,leadership training and a possible career fast tracking

Current Profile
General Management

Also I am already 33 and a bit old for most traditional programs and hence felt IMD /INSEAD /Kellogs 1 year are the only good fit . My USD equivalent salary is already close to USD 150 k ++ and thus I may not get fantastic financial returns in short term



Hi,

congrats.

If you are interested, I can put you in contact with 1 year Kellogg alumni who just graduated last week.

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Congrats on the admit to IMD! Between insead and kellog, I think Insead migh provide you better opportunities
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Thanks for reply. However I have almost removed INSEAD from my target schools . INSEAD is a great school and a feeder for MBB's .However my age is on the wrong side of INSEAD ,plus I have significant $$ with IMD and between INSEAD and IMD , the opportunity gap doesnt seem wide. I want to target Kellogs majorly because EU work visa situation is extremely bad for non EU students. Also the Kellogs brand name is much more stronger globally. So essentially it boils down to $$ with IMD vs Kellog 1 year ,specially riding on US work visa situation vis a vis EU and Kellogs brand name
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1Maverick1234 wrote:
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My post MBA goals are :

General management


Hi 1Maverick1234!

According to my knowledge, Stanford and IMD have the best leadership streams for MBAs ever. In case of IMD, this is thanks to a small class, for which you can mobilize a proper number of coaches and supporting personnel to conduct an unbelievable leadership labs (lots of them!). In addition, you would have a deep-dive with the psychoanalysts during the year to help you learn about yourself and others - and that is the addition that proved to be extremely useful over the years.

On another note, if your target is a career in US - Kellog is a better brand for that job market.

It's not an easy choice for sure :)
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