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sam2016 wrote:

Hello egmat,

Is there an article which you can share which explains the verb-ing modifier in detail? I always get confused when it comes to in which cases should I eliminate the verb-ing modifier and in which cases is it correct?





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Thanks for the query. :-)


We sure have a very detailed article, actually two, on the correct usage of verb-ing modifiers. Following are the links to the same:


1. Usage of Verb-ing Modifiers - Part 1: https://gmatclub.com/forum/usage-of-verb-ing-modifiers-135220.html

2. VERB-ING MODIFIERS PART 2 : https://gmatclub.com/forum/verb-ing-modifiers-part-2-in-our-first-article-on-verb-ing-135567.html


In fact, the recently revamped concepts on Verb-ing Modifiers are part of a our Free Trial course. Just register at e-gmat.com for free and review the lessons.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Thank you so much for sharing this :)
Just one query. I hope the content of the videos and the articles is the same. I ask this because I am more of a visual person and hence, I would prefer watching the videos instead of reading the articles provided both are identical.
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Thank you so much for sharing this :)
Just one query. I hope the content of the videos and the articles is the same. I ask this because I am more of a visual person and hence, I would prefer watching the videos instead of reading the articles provided both are identical.




Hello sam2016,


Oh yes of course. The article and the video have the same teachings. Both platforms teach the same rule in the very same manner.


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As posted previously by folks, I have the same query.

In 1984 medical researchers at Harvard and Stanford universities concluded that sedentary life-styles lead to heart and lung diseases that shorten lives, strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise.

The -ING modifier modifiers 'researchers'.

MR, strongly recommending blah blah blah, concluded that sedentary life-styles lead to heart and lung diseases.

And recommendation can likely be assumes as a result of the conclusion of researchers.

After concluding they recommended

Please confirm


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The verb recommend needs subjunctive. So "A recommends that B do C" is the proper format.

Also, when I read the sentence, there is a disconnect between researchers and recommending. I expect the VERB+ing modifier to modify the closest subject which is 'sedentary lifestyles'. But it actually modifies researchers and that doesn't work. We are looking for the subject researchers again which option (E) provides by using 'they'.


I've a doubt guys. Would be really helpful if someone could throw some light on it.

As everybody here has pointed out that "recommending", which is a Verb+ing modifier refers to the previous clause and must make sense with the subject and verb of that clause. However, in my opinion it seems, the subject of the previous clause is not 'sedentary lifestyles' but 'heart and lung diseases' as we have another that clause after the 'sedentary lifestyles' that clause.

Or is it that "heart and lung diseases that shorten lives" is NOT a clause? In that case, would we say that whenever "that" refers to a noun from another clause followed by a verb is not a stand alone clause by itself?

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TGC wrote:
As posted previously by folks, I have the same query.

In 1984 medical researchers at Harvard and Stanford universities concluded that sedentary life-styles lead to heart and lung diseases that shorten lives, strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise.

The -ING modifier modifiers 'researchers'.

MR, strongly recommending blah blah blah, concluded that sedentary life-styles lead to heart and lung diseases.

And recommendation can likely be assumes as a result of the conclusion of researchers.

After concluding they recommended

Please confirm


Responding to a pm:

The verb recommend needs subjunctive. So "A recommends that B do C" is the proper format.

Also, when I read the sentence, there is a disconnect between researchers and recommending. I expect the VERB+ing modifier to modify the closest subject which is 'sedentary lifestyles'. But it actually modifies researchers and that doesn't work. We are looking for the subject researchers again which option (E) provides by using 'they'.


I've a doubt guys. Would be really helpful if someone could throw some light on it.

As everybody here has pointed out that "recommending", which is a Verb+ing modifier refers to the previous clause and must make sense with the subject and verb of that clause. However, in my opinion it seems, the subject of the previous clause is not 'sedentary lifestyles' but 'heart and lung diseases' as we have another that clause after the 'sedentary lifestyles' that clause.

Or is it that "heart and lung diseases that shorten lives" is NOT a clause? In that case, would we say that whenever "that" refers to a noun from another clause followed by a verb is not a stand alone clause by itself?

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"that sedentary life-styles lead to heart and lung diseases that shorten lives" - is a subordinate "that" clause.
Subject - sedentary life-styles
Verb - lead

"that shorten lives" - is a modifier modifying "heart and lung diseases"

So the structure of the clause is "A lead to B"
B is "heart and lung diseases that shorten lives"

The basic structure of the sentence comes out when you ignore all modifiers.

Here it is
"researchers ... concluded that ... life-styles lead to ... diseases..., recommending middle-aged people to undertake exercise"

The subject of the subordinate clause is closer to "recommending".
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Hi KarishmaB

Hope you're keeping well
Got a query regarding subjunctive here. In A

A: "strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise."

Ignoring other issues with it, can we say: it is wrong because it violates subjunctive?
in other words, would the following be correct in terms of subjunctive?

"strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise"

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Responding to a pm:

The verb recommend needs subjunctive. So "A recommends that B do C" is the proper format.

Also, when I read the sentence, there is a disconnect between researchers and recommending. I expect the VERB+ing modifier to modify the closest subject which is 'sedentary lifestyles'. But it actually modifies researchers and that doesn't work. We are looking for the subject researchers again which option (E) provides by using 'they'.
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Hi KarishmaB

Hope you're keeping well
Got a query regarding subjunctive here. In A

A: "strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise."

Ignoring other issues with it, can we say: it is wrong because it violates subjunctive?
in other words, would the following be correct in terms of subjunctive?

"strongly recommending middle-aged people to undertake some form of regular exercise"

Regards

KarishmaB wrote:
Responding to a pm:

The verb recommend needs subjunctive. So "A recommends that B do C" is the proper format.

Also, when I read the sentence, there is a disconnect between researchers and recommending. I expect the VERB+ing modifier to modify the closest subject which is 'sedentary lifestyles'. But it actually modifies researchers and that doesn't work. We are looking for the subject researchers again which option (E) provides by using 'they'.


The structure of subjunctive could be:
"Researchers recommend that people undertake ..."
or
"Researchers recommend people undertake ..." (omit that)

"Researchers recommend people to undertake..." is not very natural though some cultures do use it.

That said, the use of comma -ing verb is not correct here since researchers concluding and researchers recommending are separate actions. "recommending" does not modify (talk more about) concluding. You need to use "and" to join them.
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ok thanks KarishmaB
takeaway: <-ing> - when used as participle, does not invoke subjunctive
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ok thanks KarishmaB
takeaway: <-ing> - when used as participle, does not invoke subjunctive


No, that is not the takeaway. The problem is that you cannot use a participle here.
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