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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview

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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview


Looks like B to me. All except B weaken. Could you please post OE? Experts?
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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview


Looks like B to me. All except B weaken. Could you please post OE? Experts?


Hi,
i'll just stick to B and D for explanation--

ARGUMENT-
The para says that due to larger proportion of drivers xg speed limits in OAK, there are more number of accidents there.

lets see which out of B and D weakens the argument..

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.
If there are more numbers of drivers, then the higher number of accidents could be because of more drivers rather than their xg speed limit.
May be more accidents but accidents per driver can still be higher at Mountain view due to smaller number of drivers there
so it does weaken the argument



(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.
firstly police monitoring can be considered out of context ..
But even if it is considered, it can actually strengthen the argument.
It is possible that due to less police trafficking, the drivers speed more resulting in more accidents


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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview. - Weakens

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview. - Weakens

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work. - How is this related to people in Oak Valley and the more accidents in Oak Valley. Though this talks about Mountain view coming to Oak Valley, nowhere this weakens the arguement

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview. - Less the police, Less the monitoring, thus more the accidents

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview
- Weakens

I choose C. The explanation is above. Correct where i am going wrong.
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carcass wrote:
In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview


Looks like B to me. All except B weaken. Could you please post OE? Experts?


Hi,
i'll just stick to B and D for explanation--

ARGUMENT-
The para says that due to larger proportion of drivers xg speed limits in OAK, there are more number of accidents there.

lets see which out of B and D weakens the argument..

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.
If there are more numbers of drivers, then the higher number of accidents could be because of more drivers rather than their xg speed limit.
May be more accidents but accidents per driver can still be higher at Mountain view due to smaller number of drivers there
so it does weaken the argument



(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.
firstly police monitoring can be considered out of context ..
But even if it is considered, it can actually strengthen the argument.
It is possible that due to less police trafficking, the drivers speed more resulting in more accidents


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HI Chetan,

In B, just because Oak has greater number of drivers does not automatically mean these drivers are causing the accidents. AFAIK, we cant make such assumptions in GMAT.
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Hi,
i'll just stick to B and D for explanation--

ARGUMENT-
The para says that due to larger proportion of drivers xg speed limits in OAK, there are more number of accidents there.

lets see which out of B and D weakens the argument..

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.
If there are more numbers of drivers, then the higher number of accidents could be because of more drivers rather than their xg speed limit.
May be more accidents but accidents per driver can still be higher at Mountain view due to smaller number of drivers there
so it does weaken the argument



(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.
firstly police monitoring can be considered out of context ..
But even if it is considered, it can actually strengthen the argument.
It is possible that due to less police trafficking, the drivers speed more resulting in more accidents


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HI Chetan,

In B, just because Oak has greater number of drivers does not automatically mean these drivers are causing the accidents. AFAIK, we cant make such assumptions in GMAT.


Hi,

two reasons Why B should not be the reason..


1) D is a stronger contender and clearly does nothing to weaken the argument.
2) The reasoning that excess number of drivers leading to higher number of accidents is very valid and you will find it in many OG examples..

Actually we are assuming in all the choices--

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.
You are assuming that the accidents are due to it. May be the drivers are more cautious on these turns etc..

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.
If we think those extra driver in B are not reponsible for accidents, how can we assume that these drivers coming from M'view

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview

Why do we assume here that people do not use ice chains or anti skids during that time OR the ICE is responsible for the accidents..

We can ofcourse connect two items logically, because in weakening/strengthening, we require to assume something..

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In D, since there are few police officers in Oak, this can lead to greater no of accidents and not the mentioned cause in the qs stem. Correct? Also, I never said we can't make assumptions-I just said assumption made in B seems to be a little too much
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In D, since there are few police officers in Oak, this can lead to greater no of accidents and not the mentioned cause in the qs stem. Correct? Also, I never said we can't make assumptions-I just said assumption made in B seems to be a little too much


hi KS15,

As we both agree that there are a bit of logical assumption, it is how we use these to analyze the choices..
B and C are following the same logic, so either both are correct or both are wrong or its possible the Q is flawed..

For D, your line of thinking is
In D, since there are few police officers in Oak, this can lead to greater no of accidents and not the mentioned cause in the qs stem...

My Q would be ' How can these lesser number of police monitoring result in more accidents?'
It is due to more people xg speed or driving rashly in absence of police around
So in a way it is strengthening the conclusion..

Had the argument been about deaths in two locations and putting it on accidents due to excess speed ..
This choice would have worked well if it said there are less police..
Since now we could blame normal LAW and order fo rteh excesses death..

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More police monitoring traffic ensures that drivers obey traffic rules.
The disobedience to traffic rules other than overspeeding are more than enough to cause more accidents. This could weaken the argument seriously.

But I tell u, I pick D because it is the one that might strengthen.
B is clear weakener.
But if you go by the question strictly then there is no answer above cos D also weakens!
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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.
(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.
(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.
(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.
(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview

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Hi Mike,

Can you please jump in the discussion in the following link for CR question.

I have doubt that some of the choices are flawed such as choice B. I do not understand how it is a weakener.

Thanks in advance

Dear Mo2men,
I'm happy to respond to your p.m. :-) This CR question is not bad. I don't think (B) has a problem. Here's my analysis.

The argument explains the higher number of accidents in Oak Valley as a result of speed. A weakener would provide a plausible alternative explanation. Notice, the first sentence was about proportions, but this sentence is about the actual count, the number of accidents.
(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountain View.
Blind intersections and sharp turns raise the probability of accidents, so this would be a valid alternative explanation.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountain View.
Even if Oak Valley and Mountain View have identical percentages of folks who get in accidents, if Oak Valley has more people, it will have a higher number of accidents. Here, we must be extremely careful to distinguish proportional information from information about true counts. This is a valid alternative explanation.

(C) Drivers in Mountain View must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.
If everyone who lives in Oak Valley stays there, and folks from Mountain View also come to Oak Valley, then it sounds as if there would be a lot more cars in Oak Valley. More cars means more accidents. This is a valid alternative explanation.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountain View.
Having police officers around might make people less apt to speed, and this might explain the evidence that folks in Oak Valley speed more. This merely strengthens the argument's evidence, so this is certainly not a weakener.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountain View
Icy roads lead to more accidents. This is a valid alternative explanation.

Choices (A), (B), (C), and (E) are valid weakeners, so (D) is the answer to the EXCEPT question.

Does this make sense?
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Difficulty of such questions is that we look for LEAST weakening answer choice. Contenders can be not most weakening but still can be more weakening than correct answer.

in this case B and C are options that we would not choose in simple Weakening question, but if compare with D they are more weakening
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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview

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I chose D for all the same reasons as stated previously...I tried to not think to deeply into this question. I looked for the answer that does not weaken at all....even if one weakens to a lesser degree than another, is still weakens. When I saw "exceed the speed limit" I thought about breaking the law (word association I guess)...then "D" stuck out because it mentioned that fewer police officers are monitoring traffic in Oak Valley vs Mountainview. When police officers are in full effect and out in numbers, speeding may occur but the driver will more than likely be pulled over, causing other passers-by to slow down as well. I do not think that D weakens at all, hence why I chose that. I was tempted by "B" for sure but just having a greater number of drivers would not necessarily mean that a greater proportion will regularly speed, causing more accidents. The greater number of drivers would weaken because accidents could be caused by traffic congestion rather than excessive speeding, etc.

I do not see this specific type often and it did not appear on my first official GMAT attempt either. But I am going to remind myself that if "all weaken the conclusion EXCEPT" I will remember to find the answer that does not weaken at all...if it one is a less "weakening" choice than another, it still weakens, just to a lesser degree.
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In comparison to the drivers who live in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who live in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

All of the following statements, if true, weaken the conclusion drawn above EXCEPT:

(A) Oak Valley has a greater proportion of blind intersections and sharp turns than has Mountainview.

(B) There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.

(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

(E) The roads are icier for a greater portion of the year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview

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Doesn't look like a water tight case .
let me play the devils advocate and show how D could be a weakener and B could NOT be a weakener and be a potential answer


D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview: This could also mean that the drivers are not bad but rather the traffic conditions are so bad that in spite of the drivers best efforts , there are more accidents.
Just like icy roads, Blind intersections we could also have bad traffic conditions due to few traffic police as an alternate reason for more accidents. More accidents not necessarily due to Drivers fault.

B)There is a greater number of drivers in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.
If there are more drivers does not mean they are all driving. There could be many drivers who just hold licenses but are not really on the road. Hence this doesn't weaken.
Another point : Just because there are more drivers does that justify the huge number of accidents? Can't all those drivers in Oak valley be exceptionally good drivers ? If this is the case then option B does not provide an alternate reason for the accidents and does NOT weaken the argument.
Further more drivers could mean that more drivers could actually be speeding and speeding could actually be the reason for the huge number of accidents. If this is the case then option B could actually strengthen the argument .
hence option B could be a NON weakener and could in fact strengthen.
hence option B could be the answer too.

Overall this question could have been better.
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Could someone explain why the answer is not C ?

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In comparison to the drivers who LIVE in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who LIVE in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.


(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work. - How is this related to people LIVING in Oak Valley as mentioned and the more accidents in Oak Valley. Though this talks about Mountain view coming to Oak Valley, nowhere this weakens the argument.
The accidents are being caused by people LIVINg in Oak Valley, not by people in Oak Valley.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview. - Less the police, Less the monitoring, thus more the accidents
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(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview.

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Am i the only one who thinks this is a bad question? Far too many assumptions to be made in this question to come to the "right" conclusion. I have never seen a question like this in the official books, with no clear logic. Sorry for the rant :P.
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nakulanand - No offense to you but logically this seems a complete question. However i want to point out that for most Except question you are going to feel same way and end up being confused.
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Could someone explain why the answer is not C ?

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In comparison to the drivers who LIVE in Mountainview, a greater proportion of the drivers who LIVE in Oak Valley exceed the speed limit regularly. This explains why there are more accidents each year in Oak Valley than in Mountainview.


(C) Drivers in Mountainview must travel to Oak Valley to shop and work. - How is this related to people LIVING in Oak Valley as mentioned and the more accidents in Oak Valley. Though this talks about Mountain view coming to Oak Valley, nowhere this weakens the argument.
The accidents are being caused by people LIVINg in Oak Valley, not by people in Oak Valley.

(D) Per capita, there are fewer police officers monitoring traffic in Oak Valley than there are in Mountainview. - Less the police, Less the monitoring, thus more the accidents
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