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In the 1820’s, anthracite coalfields opened in eastern Pennsylvania, and when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

A. when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was
B. once canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal having been
C. with canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there had been substantial supplies of coal
D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being
E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were

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Initially it was A/E for me. But A is too wordy with unnecessary that + verb form after there + verb form.

E is concise.
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yeah, i agree w/ everyone here. E is best: most direct (active voice) and concise way to say it
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whats wrong with A folks..

is the presence of 'was' instead of 'were' an issue?
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whats wrong with A folks..

is the presence of 'was' instead of 'were' an issue?


out of the 2 constructions:

A.) "there were substantial supplies of coal that was"
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E.) "substantial supplies of coal were"

the second construction is much better; says the same thing in fewer words.
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whats wrong with A folks..

is the presence of 'was' instead of 'were' an issue?


Yes singular verb 'was' contradicts with plural noun "supplies of coal".

Also (A) uses wordier construction than (E)
(A) Wordier: there were substantial supplies of coal that was
(E) Concise: substantial supplies of coal were
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I believe (A) is the answer, even though (A) is wordier than (E)


"substantial supplies of coal were exported" or "the coal was exported" ? Obviously the coal was exported not the supplies ...

What is the OA?
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I believe (A) is the answer, even though (A) is wordier than (E)


"substantial supplies of coal were exported" or "the coal was exported" ? Obviously the coal was exported not the supplies ...

What is the OA?

Just coal can mean anything i.e. in small quantity as well as in large quantity. The logic of the sentence asks for the coal in large quantity. Also, in A "that" modifies "substantial supplies of coal" and not "coal".
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Practicegmat wrote:
I believe (A) is the answer, even though (A) is wordier than (E)


"substantial supplies of coal were exported" or "the coal was exported" ? Obviously the coal was exported not the supplies ...

What is the OA?


The mistake you are making is just looking at a small portion of the sentence. "substantial supplies of coal were exported" and "substantial supplies of coal was exported". By comparing the two you can just use your ear and hear that the second one is wrong.
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In the 1820’s, anthracite coalfields opened in eastern Pennsylvania, and when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

A. when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were
substantial supplies of coal that was
B. once canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there were
substantial supplies of coal having been
C. with canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there had been
substantial supplies of coal
D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies
of coal being
E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of
coal were

the focus of meaning in A is changed. A is considered the distorted meaning.

when the canale reached, there were something

is the focus of meaning in A.

in E,

comma+with phrase is absolute structure which provide the context for main clause, in this case, "coalfield open and canal reached" . E means
in the context that the export rises, coalfield opened. This is not logic.

E is typical wrong answer which is grammatical but contains meaning problem. absolute phrase modifying wrongly the main clause is the favorite of gmat. this situation happen often in og and gmatprep.

gmat distort the logic meaning relation into the distorted meaning relation to test out ability to convey the intended meaning or the right focus of meaning.
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sorry, my analysis of absolute phrase above in in choice D not E. sorry
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I couldn't find any error in D also. the sentence after 'and' is an independent one. Please check options D & E below.

D) canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

E) as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways

Clause that starts with 'as' is a conditional clause. Is it correct to use second clause with 'as' ?
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D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being-" This somehow seems to imply that the canals and railroads reached into the region because of substantial supplies of coal were exported.Meaning issue"-INCORRECT.

E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were-" 'as canals...' presents a reason as of why the substantial supplies of coal were exported."-CORRECT.

Hope it helps.

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In the 1820’s, anthracite coalfields opened in eastern Pennsylvania, and when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

A. when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was - subject verb agreement issue - supplies of coal needs was
B. once canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal having been - usage of having been
C. with canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there had been substantial supplies of coal - usage of past perfect
D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being - usage of being
E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were - Correct

Answer E
1. In case of option A, how do we determine whether THAT refers to coal or supplies of coal? Because both of them make sense to me.

2. Also, if change A to "when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that were", even then it will be inferior to option E?

3. Also, can you highlight the difference between when and as here?


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In the 1820’s, anthracite coalfields opened in eastern Pennsylvania, and when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

A. when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was - subject verb agreement issue - supplies of coal needs was
B. once canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal having been - usage of having been
C. with canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there had been substantial supplies of coal - usage of past perfect
D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being - usage of being
E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were - Correct

Answer E
1. In case of option A, how do we determine whether THAT refers to coal or supplies of coal? Because both of them make sense to me.

Since "that" is placed directly after "coal", it seems likely that "that" refers to "coal." Then, the fact that the singular verb "was" agrees with the singular "coal" and not with the plural "supplies" serves to confirm that "that" refers to coal rather than to "supplies."

2. Also, if change A to "when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that were", even then it will be inferior to option E?

Even with that change, (A) would be awkward and would not express a logical meaning. It does not make sense to say that "there were" supplies of coal "when" canals and railroads reached into the region. Those supplies were there before the canals and railroads reached the region. So, the focus of (A) is off, as (A) is focused on the fact that the supplies were there, when what would make sense is to focus on the fact that, once canals and railroads reached the region, the supplies were exported.

3. Also, can you highlight the difference between when and as here?

While using "when" is not clearly incorrect, perhaps "as" is a better choice. "When" tends to refer to a specific point in time. So, "when the canals and railroads reached into the region, supplies were exported" seems to convey that, at the moment when canals and railroads reached into the region, the supplies were exported. In contrast, the expression "as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region" more accurately reflects what seems likely to have occurred, that during the period of time over which the canals and railroads reached into the region, supplies of coal were exported.


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1. In case of option A, how do we determine whether THAT refers to coal or supplies of coal? Because both of them make sense to me.

Since "that" is placed directly after "coal", it seems likely that "that" refers to "coal." Then, the fact that the singular verb "was" agrees with the singular "coal" and not with the plural "supplies" serves to confirm that "that" refers to coal rather than to "supplies."


Hi MartyMurray,
Thank you for your prompt response. So can we generalize as "whenever the verb that follows modifier THAT(or which) makes sense with both the preceding noun(supplies here) and the object of the prepositional phrase(coal here), then it MUST refer to the noun in the prepositional phrase because of its proximity?

..... X of Y that Z or ..... X of Y, which Z (where Z is the verb) --> If Z makes sense with both X and Y, then it must refer to Y.

Then, the fact that the singular verb "was" agrees with the singular noun "coal" and not with the plural "supplies" serves to confirm that "that" refers to coal rather than to "supplies. --> If the verb (was in this case) was not a part of the underlined portion of the sentence, then I understand we can infer that subject must match with the verb, but here the verb too is in the underlined part.

So, can we use the subject-verb agreement to confirm our assumption that "coal" is the subject of THAT clause?


I understand that the structure in A "there were substantial supplies..." is awkward and indirect. So this was the ONLY reason you chose it over E?
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MartyMurray wrote:
1. In case of option A, how do we determine whether THAT refers to coal or supplies of coal? Because both of them make sense to me.

Since "that" is placed directly after "coal", it seems likely that "that" refers to "coal." Then, the fact that the singular verb "was" agrees with the singular "coal" and not with the plural "supplies" serves to confirm that "that" refers to coal rather than to "supplies."


Hi MartyMurray,
Thank you for your prompt response. So can we generalize as "whenever the verb that follows modifier THAT(or which) makes sense with both the preceding noun(supplies here) and the object of the prepositional phrase(coal here), then it MUST refer to the noun in the prepositional phrase because of its proximity?

..... X of Y that Z or ..... X of Y, which Z (where Z is the verb) --> If Z makes sense with both X and Y, then it must refer to Y.

You probably shouldn't make that generalization. Answering SC questions tends to be about making judgement calls. So, while, yes, it is likely that what you said would work most of the time, I would not codify it and consider it some kind of "rule." Why even bother?

Do what is logical, and make judgement calls AS APPROPRIATE FOR EACH SITUATION.


Then, the fact that the singular verb "was" agrees with the singular noun "coal" and not with the plural "supplies" serves to confirm that "that" refers to coal rather than to "supplies. --> If the verb (was in this case) was not a part of the underlined portion of the sentence, then I understand we can infer that subject must match with the verb, but here the verb too is in the underlined part.

So, can we use the subject-verb agreement to confirm our assumption that "coal" is the subject of THAT clause?


That method works for determining what the underlined portion indicates in this case. However, if the non-underlined portion is in disagreement with what the underlined portion indicates, as it is to a degree in this case,then the sentence is in disagreement with itself, and therefore flawed. Once again, you have to determine whether the whole sentence works, rather than look at a little piece of it and attempt to apply some rule that you have heard about or come up with.

Rocking Sentence Correction is not a robotic, rules based activity. The question writers constantly come up with new twists. You have to make judgement calls on a case by case basis. Yes, some rules matter, but attempting to codify every little thing is not your best move.

You seem to have a good sense of what makes sense. To learn to rock SC, you could develop your skill in applying your sense of logic to answering SC questions.


I understand that the structure in A "there were substantial supplies..." is awkward and indirect. So this was the ONLY reason you chose it over E?

(E) is better than (A) because of what you just said, because "as" is a little better than "when", and because "supplies ... were exported" makes much more sense than does "supplies of coal that was exported". What does that last phrase even mean? Think about it. "There were supplies of coal that was exported." What??? So, the supplies are of exported coal only? It's a nonsensical string of words.

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In the 1820’s, anthracite coalfields opened in eastern Pennsylvania, and when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was exported to the nation’s growing mills, forges, factories, and railways.

A. when canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal that was
B. once canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there were substantial supplies of coal having been
C. with canals and eventually railroads reaching into the region, there had been substantial supplies of coal
D. canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, with substantial supplies of coal being
E. as canals and eventually railroads reached into the region, substantial supplies of coal were


look at choice D.
the absolute phrase "with substantial..." can not be interchangeble with "as canal...." because absolute phrase must have meaning relation with the main clause while "as" clause only shows the time relation with the main clause. the time relation here is that an action happen during another action.

absolute phrase can be interchangeble with dependent clause "because"
because he is sick, I visit him today
He sick, I visit him today.

whenever we see a split between a sentence with absolute phrase and a sentence with dependent clause, ask ourself are they interchangeble ?
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whats wrong with A folks..

is the presence of 'was' instead of 'were' an issue?


choice A distort the meaning
when canal reach the region, there are a supplies of coal.
this is main meaning of the choice A. it is not logic.
when canal reach the region, supplies of coal were exported. this meaning is correct
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