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:) I think Bunuel's above explanation is most illuminating and detailed; I do not find any alternate way for the explanation. +1 for that great solution.
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Hi,

this is how I did it:

The probability if X=3 that Y>X is 0
The probability if X=2 that Y>X is 1/4
The probability if X=1 that Y>X is 2/4
The probability if X=0 that Y>X is 3/4

Then: \(1/4*1/4 + 1/4*2/4 + 1/4*3/4 = 6/16 = 3/8\)

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In the coordinate plane, rectangular region R has vertices at (0,0), (0,3), (4,3), and (4,0). If a point in region R is randomly selected, what is the probability that the point's y-coordinate will be greater than its x-coordinate?

A. 7/12
B. 5/12
C. 3/8
D. 1/3
E. 1/4


there is no better solution than this

compute the area above y=x line and below y=x line and then proceed to finding probability
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I calculated that the no. of points in the region including the boundaries of the rectangle=\(16\).
Out of that \(6\) points [for \(6\) ordered pairs-\((0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(1,2),(1,3)\) and \((2,3)\)],will have \(x\) coordinate less than \(y\) coordinate.
So probability=\(6/16=3/8\)
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I calculated that the no. of points in the region including the boundaries of the rectangle=\(16\).
Out of that \(6\) points [for \(6\) ordered pairs-\((0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(1,2),(1,3)\) and \((2,3)\)],will have \(x\) coordinate less than \(y\) coordinate.
So probability=\(6/16=3/8\)
Isn't this approach right?

No, this approach is not right. A point has no dimension, hence there are infinitely many points in any area/segment. The problem with your solution is that you assume that the coordinates must be integers, which is nowhere given.

Hope it's clear.
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Hi Bunuel...I came across this question and kept getting caught up by the y=x line.

If we calculate the isoc triangle's area, wouldn't this include all points on the y=x line (on which y is not > x)?
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Hi Bunuel...I came across this question and kept getting caught up by the y=x line.

If we calculate the isoc triangle's area, wouldn't this include all points on the y=x line (on which y is not > x)?

A line has no area, hence there won't be any difference.
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ah ha, that clears it up, thanks a bunch
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I calculated that the no. of points in the region including the boundaries of the rectangle=\(16\).
Out of that \(6\) points [for \(6\) ordered pairs-\((0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(1,2),(1,3)\) and \((2,3)\)],will have \(x\) coordinate less than \(y\) coordinate.
So probability=\(6/16=3/8\)
Isn't this approach right?

No, this approach is not right. A point has no dimension, hence there are infinitely many points in any area/segment. The problem with your solution is that you assume that the coordinates must be integers, which is nowhere given.

Hope it's clear.

Hi Brunei,

How the rectangle has 16 points (if we calculate the borders ). Isn't it should be 20 . e.g (0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,0).
5 points in 1 row and 4 rows all together 5*4 = 20 . Am I missing something ?
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Hi Brunei,

How the rectangle has 16 points (if we calculate the borders ). Isn't it should be 20 . e.g (0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,0).
5 points in 1 row and 4 rows all together 5*4 = 20 . Am I missing something ?

I don't understand why are you concerned about the number of points? The solution talks about the area...
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Hi Brunei,

How the rectangle has 16 points (if we calculate the borders ). Isn't it should be 20 . e.g (0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,0).
5 points in 1 row and 4 rows all together 5*4 = 20 . Am I missing something ?

I don't understand why are you concerned about the number of points? The solution talks about the area...

Brunei ,

I didnot get your point(in earlier quote) why calculating points is wrong (I know we get an incorrect answer ). Isn't Probability = No of successes(condition)/ Total no of outcomes and if we go by points arenot we just following it .
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Hi Brunei,

How the rectangle has 16 points (if we calculate the borders ). Isn't it should be 20 . e.g (0,0),(1,0),(2,0),(3,0),(4,0).
5 points in 1 row and 4 rows all together 5*4 = 20 . Am I missing something ?

I don't understand why are you concerned about the number of points? The solution talks about the area...

Brunei ,

I didnot get your point(in earlier quote) why calculating points is wrong (I know we get an incorrect answer ). Isn't Probability = No of successes(condition)/ Total no of outcomes and if we go by points arenot we just following it .

(Probability) = (Favorable outcomes)/(Total) = (The area of yellow triangle)/(The area of the rectangle). Notice that we have an area there no the number of poiint whose coordinates are integers only.

Check other Probability and Geometry questions in our Special Questions Directory.

Hope it helps.
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:) I think Bunuel's above explanation is most illuminating and detailed; I do not find any alternate way for the explanation. +1 for that great solution.


I did graph the region correctly. However, when I looked at the region I thought the selected region is slightly less than half.

However, the answer choices are quite close. So you have to calculate the area, no choice.
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In the coordinate plane, rectangular region R has vertices at (0,0), (0,3), (4,3), and (4,0). If a point in region R is randomly selected, what is the probability that the point's y-coordinate will be greater than its x-coordinate?

7/12
5/12
3/8
1/3
1/4

Now, rectangle R has an area of 3*4=12. All point that has y-coordinate greater than x-coordinate lie above the line \(y=x\), so in yellow triangle, which has an area of 1/2*3*3=4.5. So, the probability equals to favorable outcomes/total=yellow triangle/rectangle R=4.5/12=3/8.

Answer: C.


I do not understand or cannot recalculate the 1/2*3*3=4.5. How did you get 1/2 as other side?
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the big Trap to avoid is to remember that the Coordinates do NOT have to Be Integers.

After plotting the Points, you have a Rectangle with Length = 4 Units and Width = 3 Units


the Line given by the Equation: y = x ---- will have the X-Coord. EQUAL to the Y-Coord. on every Space on that Line

Every Coordinate Point ABOVE the Line y = x will have a Y-Coord. that is GREATER than the X-Coord.

So basically we are looking for the following:


(Area of the Region that is Y > X but INSIDE the Rectangle) / (Entire Rectangular Region) = Probability that a given Coordinate will have its Y-Coordinate Greater than its X-Coordinate



the Line y = x will come through Vertex (0 , 0) and pass through Point (3, 3) on the TOP Length of the Rectangle.

the Area above this line but Inside Region R of the Rectangle will be Defined by the Right Triangle with the following Vertices: (0 , 0) ; (0 , 3) ; (3, 3)

Area of the Right Triangle = 1/2 * 3 * 3 = 9/2

Area of the Entire Rectangular Region R = 4 * 3 = 12


Probability = (9/2) / (12) = 9/24 = 3/8

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In the coordinate plane, rectangular region R has vertices at (0,0), (0,3), (4,3), and (4,0). If a point in region R is randomly selected, what is the probability that the point's y-coordinate will be greater than its x-coordinate?

A. 7/12
B. 5/12
C. 3/8
D. 1/3
E. 1/4

Area of the rectangle = 12

Area of the region where y>x = 1/2*3*3

Therefore the required probability = 9/24 = 3/8

Thererfore IMO C
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