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In the late 1960s, the rising number of American casualties in Vietnam

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Correct idiom is situation for
For example we say Failing to book a cab early in night is a very bad situation for you
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Can anyone please elaborate more in the usage of "by the time" at the beginning of the sentence?
I am familiar with only such a form of "by the time x,y";y happen after x.However,there is no x in this context.
What is the time frame of this context?

Moreover,is the preposition "to" or "for" a split in this question?

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Your first query:

The given OA seems to be wrong.

A past perfect tense is used to depict that one event (in past perfect) happens before another event (in simple past). However the latter event need not be depicted by a verb in simple past but can be depicted by a point of time as well ( such as 3 pm or 1960s as in the given question).

By the time my father arrived, I had completed my homework. (the latter event is the arrival of my father - depicted by simple past)
By 3 pm, I had completed my homework. (the latter event is not a verb - depicted by 3 pm).

Similarly,
By late 1960's the rising number had suggested that.... should be the correct tense. (Though this would still be wrong because the suggesting happened in the late 1960's - Tet offensive in 1968.)

The simple past would be correct, if the opening prepositional phrase were "In the late 1960s" instead of "By the late 1960s".


Your second query:

The usage "winnable for" is better than "winnable to".


Hi Sayantanc2k,
the Viet Cong's coordinated surprise attack on American installations throughout the whole of Vietnam seems to be an independent clause.This appears in the middle of the sentence. My query is what does the clause modify?
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"by the late 1960s" and "had suggested" are a great trap. The past perfect tense here is wrong; the sentence does not talk about any event prior and after 1960s.
Normally, past perfect goes with "by + time"; however, in this question, such pattern turns out to be a deadly trap.
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By the late 1960s, the rising number of American casualties in Vietnam and the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong's coordinated surprise attack on American installations throughout the whole of Vietnam, suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States.

A. suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States
B. suggested Vietnam to be an ultimate unwinnable situation to the United States
C. had suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
D. suggesting Vietnam to be an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
E. suggesting that Vietnam was an ultimate unwinnable situation for the United States
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By the late 1960s, the rising number of American casualties in Vietnam and the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong's coordinated surprise attack on American installations throughout the whole of Vietnam, suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States.

A. suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States
B. suggested Vietnam to be an ultimate unwinnable situation to the United States
C. had suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
D. suggesting Vietnam to be an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
E. suggesting that Vietnam was an ultimate unwinnable situation for the United States


When looking at the start of the answer choices we are quickly able to eliminate D&E as those use "suggesting" which does not "by xy and Z ... "

B is out as it changes the meaning by using "to be" instead of "was".

When down to A & C I would eliminate "had" as it creates a tense issue, thus we are down to answer choice A.

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By the late 1960s, the rising number of American casualties in Vietnam and the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong's coordinated surprise attack on American installations throughout the whole of Vietnam, suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States.

A. suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States
B. suggested Vietnam to be an ultimate unwinnable situation to the United States
C. had suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
D. suggesting Vietnam to be an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States
E. suggesting that Vietnam was an ultimate unwinnable situation for the United States


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It looks as if the passage has been edited changing the original preposition 'by' with 'in' by the Gmatclub admin. In the 60s can go with simple past 'suggested' since it is a specific period. However, 'by the 60's' can go with past perfect 'had suggested.' Until the picture is clear, we would be just beating around the bush Perhaps a word from the author would clear the haze
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It looks as if the passage has been edited changing the original preposition 'by' with 'in' by the Gmatclub admin to suit the OA. In the 60s can go with simple past 'suggested' since it is a specific period. However, 'by the 60's' can go with past perfect 'had suggested.' Until the picture is clear, we would be just beating around the bush Perhaps a word from the author would clear the haze


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That's what made me skeptical about my knowledge on usage of "By" as this requires us to use past perfect. The 1st event in past is By late 1960s. 2nd event cannot be past tense. It must be past perfect. That's why i posted this question. Now, Thanks to you i can be sure that By xyz always requires past perfect. Magoosh Mike is the author of this question.
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A it is: suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States

faults in bold :

A) suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation for the United States
B) suggested Vietnam to be an ultimate unwinnable situation to the United States------------>"suggested Vietnam" seems to imply that "Vietnam" was suggested
C) had suggested that Vietnam was an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States------------>no point using past perfect
D) suggesting Vietnam to be an ultimately unwinnable situation to the United States--------> not even a sentence
E) suggesting that Vietnam was an ultimate unwinnable situation for the United States ------------>not even a sentence




Can anyone tell , why 'had suggested' can not be used in C as attack was done before win/lost situation
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What suggested to the US that the Vietnam Project was futile were the increasing number of casualties by the late 60's and the 1968 Tet offensive by the Vietcong.
The rising number also indicates that the losses were ongoing and continuing with no end in sight.

If we use the past perfect, then these incidents must have taken place and ended in the deeper past than the realization by the US. But the incidents and the realization by the US seem to have happened concurrently. So, why do we need a past perfect?
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What suggested to the US that the Vietnam Project was futile were the increasing number of casualties by the late 60's and the 1968 Tet offensive by the Vietcong.
The rising number also indicates that the losses were ongoing and continuing with no end in sight.

If we use the past perfect, then these incidents must have taken place and ended in the deeper past than the realization by the US. But the incidents and the realization by the US seem to have happened concurrently. So, why do we need a past perfect?




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but why in choice A, "was" not "be" is used. I think that
suggest is command verb.
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A question about the 1968 Tet Offensive, a turning point in the Vietnam War.

In general, the verb “to suggest” requires the word “that” in the formal context of the GMAT. Choices (A) & (E) have the word “that,” while (B) lacks this word. Choice (C) uses the idiomatic incorrect structure “suggest X to be Y”—choice (C) is incorrect.

Choice (B), in addition to lacking the word “that,” also seems to suggest illogically that Vietnam is in the United States. Choice (B) is incorrect.

Another problem is the famous missing verb mistake. We have a compound subject, “the rising number . . . and the 1968 Tet Offensive.” That’s the subject, and it needs a verb. Choice (A), (B), and (C) supply a real verb, but (D) & (E) provide simply the participle “suggesting,” so that the whole sentence lacks a main verb. Both of those choices are incorrect.

Choice (A) is the only possible answer.
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