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You know what? Other things being equal, adcom would choose that guy with 720 rather than me with my 690. Will I be satisfied with such outcome? No! That's why I've stopped all my private life and funny weekends in order to substitute my 690 with 730 next month. I want to be admitted. In a good school.

short of being an adcom, how would you possibly be qualified to make such a definitive statement?

yeah he did say everything being equal so the gender, ethnicity and other factors are the same so the only "advantage" one of the other is the gmat..... so what would be the reason for the adcom to pick the lower gmat applicant?
Agreed, better safe than sorry definitely. Let's hope looks don't come into play for MBA admissions.
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Agreed, better safe than sorry definitely. Let's hope looks don't come into play for MBA admissions.

If I do end up going to B-school, I was really hoping that looks DO MATTER atleast as far as the selection of the opposite sex goes :-D
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i dont think being non-native speaker has much to do with verbal low though. most people suffer in verbal that's why the percentile is so low. I think the biggest hurdle for nonnatives is speaking and that is not on the test. the verbal is more about rules and reasoning and doesn't contain really complex english vocabulary.
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i dont think being non-native speaker has much to do with verbal low though. most people suffer in verbal that's why the percentile is so low. I think the biggest hurdle for nonnatives is speaking and that is not on the test. the verbal is more about rules and reasoning and doesn't contain really complex english vocabulary.

I would disagree, comprehension suffers when a text or a CR argument is intermingled with unknown words for me. Even one or two unknown words are sufficient to miss the meaning.
If I had been allowed to use an e-dictionary for the same alloted time (75 minutes) my verbal score would have been much higher.
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i dont think being non-native speaker has much to do with verbal low though. most people suffer in verbal that's why the percentile is so low. I think the biggest hurdle for nonnatives is speaking and that is not on the test. the verbal is more about rules and reasoning and doesn't contain really complex english vocabulary.

I would disagree, comprehension suffers when a text or a CR argument is intermingled with unknown words for me. Even one or two unknown words are sufficient to miss the meaning.
If I had been allowed to use an e-dictionary for the same alloted time (75 minutes) my verbal score would have been much higher.


but it's not like native speakers are kicking verbal's butt though unless there are a heck lot more non-native speakers applying. a 39 in V is 87% compared to Q49 which is also 87%. If native speakers are knocking it so out the park the V would be higher imo. Sure there are some unknown words but it's not like native speakers will automatically know what they mean either.
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i dont think being non-native speaker has much to do with verbal low though. most people suffer in verbal that's why the percentile is so low. I think the biggest hurdle for nonnatives is speaking and that is not on the test. the verbal is more about rules and reasoning and doesn't contain really complex english vocabulary.

I agree, I think that anyone with at least 100 score in TOEFL can perform well in the Verbal section of GMAT.

You just have to follow the rules of that section in the exam, learn the common mistakes and traps that they present, and memorize some idiomatic expressiosn. GMAT has its own rules in verbal, follow them, and you will get a good score. :-D

But I also agree that for non native speakers like me, it takes us much more time. It's not just few months. At least. it could take us 6 -5 months, even much more!. Additionally, we have to take the TOEFL, whose new version is much more difficult.

But we will do it! 8-)
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I certainly believe that I can compete with other applications at top schools based on my essays, recommendations, work experience, education, and ECs, so sometimes I get excited about the prospect of getting admitted at a top school, but my excitement is usually short-lived when I see countless threads by "admission consultants," who say get a better score (700+). [I have a 660]

I think that the schools do encourage everyone to apply, but they definitely look at the GMAT score as a filter. That is the only common standard they have to compare 1000s of applications.

I would be very interested in knowing whether the adcoms read all the materials of all the applicants, or they read the material only when the GMAT score is higher than a threshold. Of course, all schools say that the application is looked upon holistically.

I think the best approach is to get the best score that you can, prepare your application packet as best you can, and apply to various schools, and then see what happens. I believe that if I am truly an outstanding candidate who is a good fit for that school, I will be accepted. But, I will know so only after I apply.

Bottom line, I don't think a low GMAT score should stop us from applying, but we should be realistic about our chances.
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a score of almost 800.Good
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