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Is \(x > 0\) ?

(1) \(xy + y = y\)

(2) \(xy + x = x\)
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(1) xy+y=y
y(x+1)=y
x+1=1, so x=0...Suff
(2) xy+x=x
x(y+1)=x
y+1=1, so y=0...then the above eq becomes x(1)=x...here can be a negative, zero or postive....Insuff

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(1) xy+y=y
y(x+1)=y
x+1=1, so x=0...Suff
(2) xy+x=x
x(y+1)=x
y+1=1, so y=0...then the above eq becomes x(1)=x...here can be a negative, zero or postive....Insuff

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Hi,
the next step after the coloured portion will not be the one you have written..

1) xy+y=y..
or xy+y-y=0 ...
xy=0...
three scenarios..
a) x=0, y can be any int/fraction..
b)x=0,y=0....
c) x=some int/fraction, y=0...
so nothing can be said about x...insuff..

2) xy+x=x..
or xy+x-x=0..
or xy=0..
same as 1).. insuff

ans E

asethi, do not cancel out terms on either side of equal sign...
bring all terms on one side and then solve for the values...
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Is x > 0 ?

(1) xy + y = y

(2) xy + x = x

Statement (1) BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question, but statement (2) by itself is not.
Statement (2) BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question, but statement (1) by itself is not.
Statements (1) and (2) TAKEN TOGETHER are sufficient to answer the question, even though NEITHER statement BY ITSELF is sufficient.
EITHER statement BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question.
Statements (1) and (2) TAKEN TOGETHER are NOT sufficient to answer the question, requiring more data pertaining to the problem.

In this question, for statement 1, cant we take y common, y(x+1)=y, and then cancel out y, to get x+1 = 0, and thus x= -1?
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Is x > 0 ?

(1) xy + y = y

(2) xy + x = x

Statement (1) BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question, but statement (2) by itself is not.
Statement (2) BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question, but statement (1) by itself is not.
Statements (1) and (2) TAKEN TOGETHER are sufficient to answer the question, even though NEITHER statement BY ITSELF is sufficient.
EITHER statement BY ITSELF is sufficient to answer the question.
Statements (1) and (2) TAKEN TOGETHER are NOT sufficient to answer the question, requiring more data pertaining to the problem.

In this question, for statement 1, cant we take y common, y(x+1)=y, and then cancel out y, to get x+1 = 0, and thus x= -1?

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If y ≠ 0, then x = -1, but if y = 0, then x could equal anything, including the possibility of zero. That's why the statement is not sufficient.

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anshuverma88 wrote:
Is x > 0 ?

(1) xy + y = y

(2) xy + x = x

In this question, for statement 1, cant we take y common, y(x+1)=y, and then cancel out y, to get x+1 = 0, and thus x= -1?


(1) \(xy+y=y \implies xy=0 \implies x=0 \) or \(y=0\). We can't deduce that whether \(x>0\) or not. Insufficient.

To clear your confusion, \(xy+y=y \implies y(x+1)=y \; (*)\).

From (*), we can't clear \(y\) to have \(x+1=0\). The correct way is:

If \(y=0\), then \(x \in R\). This means \(x\) could be any value.
If \(y \neq 0\), then we have \(x+1 = 1\), not \(0\) as you said.

The better way is:
\(y(x+1)=y \implies y(x+1)-y=0 \implies y\times x =0\).

(2) \(xy + x = x \implies xy=0\), the same as (1). Insufficient.

Combine (1) and (2), we still have \(xy=0\). Insufficient.

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Statement analysis
St 1: xy +y = y or xy = 0 . that means either x is 0 or y is zero. INSUFFICIENT
St 2: xy +x = x or xy = 0. that means either x is 0 or y is zero. INSUFFICIENT

St 1 & St 2: both are yielding xy = 0, it is again insufficient.
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