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Hello experts, MartyTargetTestPrep AndrewN

The problem with me is that I am not able to understand such kind of passages.
I don't know whats going on, I have faith on my reasoning, but what it could do when I can't even understand the passage? I was not even timed for this one. took me 8 minutes, still wasn't sure exactly whats going on.

There are so many things to process simultaneously- expension, "preventable" medical care, social gain etc etc..

when a passage is simple (Language) atleast I can understand whats going on, even if its a hard one.

So, what should I do in order to improve my understanding?
Not all but there are some arguments that I don't understand and thats serious because then, If I am not able to understand easy-meduim ones, I will not reach to the desired score.
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Hello experts, MartyTargetTestPrep AndrewN

The problem with me is that I am not able to understand such kind of passages.
I don't know whats going on, I have faith on my reasoning, but what it could do when I can't even understand the passage? I was not even timed for this one. took me 8 minutes, still wasn't sure exactly whats going on.

There are so many things to process simultaneously- expension, "preventable" medical care, social gain etc etc..

when a passage is simple (Language) atleast I can understand whats going on, even if its a hard one.

So, what should I do in order to improve my understanding?
Not all but there are some arguments that I don't understand and thats serious because then, If I am not able to understand easy-meduim ones, I will not reach to the desired score.
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Hello, dcoolguy. In the moment, it is okay not to understand everything about a passage or a given answer choice. In review, though, you want to take the time to cover all the bases of the question: passage, question stem, and answer choices. If you took 8 minutes or so working through everything, then you are on the right track. Why not take notes on the words, phrases, or sentences that made you uncomfortable and look them up? The goal is to set yourself up for success the next time you may come across a similar type of passage, question, or answer choice. If you need to, pick up some high-quality English-language reading material, the type that serves as the basis for many of these official questions—e.g., The New York Times. You can grow accustomed to reading dense passages and improve your vocabulary by exposing yourself to similar kinds of writing on the side, especially when there are no questions attached and you can relax. Do not worry about the difficulty of a question you see in practice, or about the consequences of missing a lower-level question on the day of the exam. Such thoughts will not help you focus on the question in front of you. Stick to the basics. Whatever methods you have developed for assumption questions, or for CR questions in general, should apply just as well to this question as to any other, or you need to refine those methods. If healthcare as a topic is the hurdle, or if English on the whole is a broader challenge, then start reading more English-language articles on healthcare. (I would advise you to avoid academic journals, though, since academic jargon is not the type of language that shows up on this exam in more than a word or two here or there, typically with a definition attached.) Finally, there is always the community dialogue to lean on, Expert responses and all. Sometimes when I do not fully understand an answer choice or a line from a passage, I will look to see if someone has touched on my concerns in the thread. And of course, you can always solicit advice if you do not find your answer.

It will be interesting to see what Marty may have to say. The more feedback you get, the better, at least in my view. Thank you for thinking to ask.

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Hi Experts,

I have gone through all the above posts, I'm still not able to understand why Option B is incorrect. When Sunil states "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system" doesn't Sunil assume that "Jay intends the phrase "economic gains" to refer only to gains accruing to institutions within the health care system" even though Jay states "greater societal economic gains ".

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Hi Experts,

I have gone through all the above posts, I'm still not able to understand why Option B is incorrect. When Sunil states "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system" doesn't Sunil assume that "Jay intends the phrase "economic gains" to refer only to gains accruing to institutions within the health care system" even though Jay states "greater societal economic gains ".

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Does Jay *intend* to use 'economic gains' to refer only to gains within the healthcare system? Do we really think when Jay says 'economic gains' he actually only means 'economic gains to the healthcare system?'

I don't think so. Jay even uses the word 'societal.'

Jay's argument is "We will not see SOCIETAL economic gains due to an expansion in preventative care, because SOCIETY spends so much on healthcare for people who had preventative care." Sunil points out that Jay is neglecting to think about gains outside the health care system, but does not believe Jay INTENDED to use the phrase 'economic gain' to mean 'economic gains within healthcare.'

B is tricky, because the *FLAW* in Jay's argument is that he thinks an overall societal gain won't happen because a gain in HEALTHCARE won't happen, overlooking the chance that the gains could occur elsewhere. But B says this flaw was INTENDED, when in fact, it's a possibility Jay has OVERLOOKED.
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Hi Experts,

I have gone through all the above posts, I'm still not able to understand why Option B is incorrect. When Sunil states "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system" doesn't Sunil assume that "Jay intends the phrase "economic gains" to refer only to gains accruing to institutions within the health care system" even though Jay states "greater societal economic gains ".

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Does Jay *intend* to use 'economic gains' to refer only to gains within the healthcare system? Do we really think when Jay says 'economic gains' he actually only means 'economic gains to the healthcare system?'

I don't think so. Jay even uses the word 'societal.'

Jay's argument is "We will not see SOCIETAL economic gains due to an expansion in preventative care, because SOCIETY spends so much on healthcare for people who had preventative care." Sunil points out that Jay is neglecting to think about gains outside the health care system, but does not believe Jay INTENDED to use the phrase 'economic gain' to mean 'economic gains within healthcare.'

B is tricky, because the *FLAW* in Jay's argument is that he thinks an overall societal gain won't happen because a gain in HEALTHCARE won't happen, overlooking the chance that the gains could occur elsewhere. But B says this flaw was INTENDED, when in fact, it's a possibility Jay has OVERLOOKED.
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Hi

Thanks for the quick reply.

So in short, even if Jay states "SOCIETAL economic gains" his scope is just the gains within healthcare. Sunil is pointing out this flaw when he says "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system". Thus Option B is incorrect because Sunil doesn't think Jay is referring only to "economic gains within the healthacre" but just that his scope is narrow.
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Hi Experts,

I have gone through all the above posts, I'm still not able to understand why Option B is incorrect. When Sunil states "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system" doesn't Sunil assume that "Jay intends the phrase "economic gains" to refer only to gains accruing to institutions within the health care system" even though Jay states "greater societal economic gains ".

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Does Jay *intend* to use 'economic gains' to refer only to gains within the healthcare system? Do we really think when Jay says 'economic gains' he actually only means 'economic gains to the healthcare system?'

I don't think so. Jay even uses the word 'societal.'

Jay's argument is "We will not see SOCIETAL economic gains due to an expansion in preventative care, because SOCIETY spends so much on healthcare for people who had preventative care." Sunil points out that Jay is neglecting to think about gains outside the health care system, but does not believe Jay INTENDED to use the phrase 'economic gain' to mean 'economic gains within healthcare.'

B is tricky, because the *FLAW* in Jay's argument is that he thinks an overall societal gain won't happen because a gain in HEALTHCARE won't happen, overlooking the chance that the gains could occur elsewhere. But B says this flaw was INTENDED, when in fact, it's a possibility Jay has OVERLOOKED.

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Thanks for the quick reply.

So in short, even if Jay states "SOCIETAL economic gains" his scope is just the gains within healthcare. Sunil is pointing out this flaw when he says "Your argument fails because you neglect economic gains outside the health care system". Thus Option B is incorrect because Sunil doesn't think Jay is referring only to "economic gains within the healthacre" but just that his scope is narrow.
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Basically, yes. Jay is correct in what he is basically thinking: "If we have economic gains in the healthcare system, then we will have economic gains overall." Right? It's like in math, if I increase one number in the set, I increase the sum of the set. But Jay doesn't think this will LEAD to economic gains in healthcare, so he doesn't think it will lead to economic gains overall. He's neglecting to think that this change in health care might cause economic gains ELSEWHERE.

So, to actually use a set of numbers: [1,2,4,5,10].

Jay is like, "Well, look, whatever we do with healthcare, we're not going to make that '5' any bigger, so the sum of the set won't get any larger."

And Sunil comes in, and is like, "Jay, my man... Maybe the 5 won't increase. But you're ignoring the fact that, by doing this thing with healthcare, we'll make the 1,2,4, and 10 bigger!"

Everyone is ALWAYS talking about the overall sum of the set. Jay does not intend to focus ONLY on the 5. He's saying that since the 5 won't change, the OVERALL sum won't change.
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Hi AndrewN - my question is "how do you read" option A on your first pass ? The double negatives in red are really difficult to understand.

Could you perhaps go over how you read option A (do you pay attention to the negative reds ?)

Where do you first pause and stop, as you read option A

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(A) Those who receive preventive care are not more likely to need urgent care than are those who do not receive preventive care
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Hi AndrewN - my question is "how do you read" option A on your first pass ? The double negatives in red are really difficult to understand.

Could you perhaps go over how you read option A (do you pay attention to the negative reds ?)

Where do you first pause and stop, as you read option A

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(A) Those who receive preventive care are not more likely to need urgent care than are those who do not receive preventive care
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This is a really good candidate for "reading for the simple story."



[This was made for the GRE but its lessons are very applicable].

Negatives in general are tricky--doubling them up even moreso.

Let's pick the sentence apart and RE-STATE it to ourselves, in SEVERAL SIMPLE SENTENCES rather than one sentence.

So here's the sentence as written:

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Okay, so I get there's a comparison being made regarding the need for 'urgent care'. The sentence is stating, first and foremost [GROUP A] is NOT MORE LIKELY TO NEED URGENT CARE than [Group B]. (I'll worry about who those groups are, specifically, in a moment).

So if Group A is NOT MORE LIKELY to need urgent care than Group B, than either the needs are equal, or, Group B needs more urgent care.

So this answer is basically saying "Group B gets as much or more urgent care than Group A."

Now who are my groups?

Group A is 'those who receive preventative care.' (What does that mean? "People who get care ahead of time that helps to keep bad health outcomes from happening,' or something like that.)

Group B is 'those who do NOT receive preventative care.'

Okay, so my two groups differ in that one gets care that gets healthcare ahead of time to help avoid bad outcomes, and those that don't.

So, this answer tells this story:

"Some people get healthcare ahead of time to prevent bad health outcomes, some people do not. The people who don't get that preventative care need as much or more urgent care than those who do."

I was a little 'casual' by turning 'more likely' into 'more,' but the basic gist is there.

What A BASICALLY implies is "People who don't get preventative care are more likely than people who do get preventative care to need urgent care."

Or "People who don't get preventive care end up at the hospital more often."

I also didn't expound much on the fact that there are two different kinds of 'care' in the sentence. But that's because I don't *really* need to. This sentence could have said "People who get preventative care are not more likely to need humperdinks than are those who do not receive preventative care" and my analysis would not be different here.

But, since I do see that 'preventative care' and 'urgent care' are both 'kinds of care,' I'd note that 'preventative' is done ahead of time to prevent a bad outcome, and 'urgent care' needs to be done RIGHT NOW.
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OG solution :

(A) This is not an assumption that underpins Sunil’s suggestion that the societal economic benefits from expanded preventive care may exceed any resulting economic losses from urgent care.

B. If Jay intends the phrase “economic gains” to refer only to gains within the health care system, then Sunil’s point about economic gains outside the health care system is not even relevant to Jay’s argument about economic gains within it.

C. Even if productive members of society are not more likely than others to suffer preventable illnesses, it still may be true, as Sunil suggests, that the economic benefits of preventing productive members of society from suffering those illnesses may outweigh the economic losses of doing so. In that case, Jay’s argument could still fail in the way Sunil indicates.

D. Correct. Sunil must assume this in order to rebut Jay’s argument. As explained above, if the economic contributions of those receiving preventive care definitely do not outweigh the economic losses caused by preventive care, then Sunil’s
implicit point that expanding preventive care would help to prevent the loss of such contributions is insufficient to rebut Jay’s argument.

E. Whether Jay is correct or incorrect in this respect, Sunil may be correct that Jay’s argument fails because Jay has neglected to consider how preventive care produces larger economic gains outside the health care system.

The correct answer is D.
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ChiranjeevSingh can you please explain why option B and C are incorrect for this question?
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