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Answer is 5. There is no Condition for Sam. Kate does not go only if Sam goes does not mean that Sam does not go if Kate goes. Sam still can go if Kate goes.
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But you are contradicting the fact that these are all conditions drawn at the same time. I mean neither was it mentioned that one goes after the other nor they all go at the same time , but from statements I get they all go at the same time. Now if Sam is there in the group of people, Kate does not want to be in that group which excludes Sam from attending
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This whole question is based on clarity of concept of necessary and sufficient conditions. If one has good understanding of the concept then he/she will be able to solve this. IMO answer is correct and is 5. Sam goes is the necessary condition but not sufficient for Kate not to go. Hence as the question asks for the max number of friends who can go; the answer should be 5.
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How many friends will go? Does n’t this mean Friends of Kate : 4; Why Kate is also included?
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Answer is 5. There is no Condition for Sam. Kate does not go only if Sam goes does not mean that Sam does not go if Kate goes. Sam still can go if Kate goes.
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but if Sam goes, then Kate *won’t* go. so both can’t go together.

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no, it means friends from the total group of 6. not friends of kate.

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But you are contradicting the fact that these are all conditions drawn at the same time. I mean neither was it mentioned that one goes after the other nor they all go at the same time , but from statements I get they all go at the same time. Now if Sam is there in the group of people, Kate does not want to be in that group which excludes Sam from attending
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i agree to this reasoning.
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I think so 5 is the answer because it’s asking maximum possibility. Since Kate and Barabara goes and Cohen Denise and Kate also needs to be there, we have no information regarding Denise so we can take that Denise did go too, so Cohen also did. As it was mentioned Kate does not go if only sam goes but we know that along with Kate Barbara goes so Kate can go even if sam is there so only one not going is adam

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Answer is 5. There is no Condition for Sam. Kate does not go only if Sam goes does not mean that Sam does not go if Kate goes. Sam still can go if Kate goes.
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Final 5 = Dennis , Kate , Cohen , Sam and Barbara
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maximum number of friends who can go, if Kate goes is 4. Since it is only Sam who goes only if Kate does not go. Counting Kate, the entire group comes to 5.
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@tgshankar10 confirm please
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but if Sam goes, then Kate *won’t* go. so both can’t go together.
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This is the common mistake happen in analyzing conditional statements. If A happens, B must happen. But the reverse (If B happens, A must happen) is not always true. If B happens, A may or may not happen.

Similarly, Kate does not go only if Sam goes. Reverse of this (Sam goes only if Kate doesnt go) is not always true. This is flawed reasoning. The condition has to reversed and negated to become valid. Only one of negation or reversal will make the reasoning wrong
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understood your point...makes sense

only poor Adam will be left out
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maximum number of friends who can go, if Kate goes is 4. Since it is only Sam who goes only if Kate does not go. Counting Kate, the entire group comes to 5.
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No, you can’t take it like that. It’s giving a condition for Kate not to go if Sam is present alone. That does not mean that Sam won’t go if Kate is present only.
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No, you can’t take it like that. It’s giving a condition for Kate not to go if Sam is present alone. That does not mean that Sam won’t go if Kate is present only.
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oh, i think i didnt put enough emphasis on "only" , kate can go if others are there , even if Sam is there, right?
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only " has no significance here...

A condition is true. That does not mean the reverse will also be true.
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This is the common mistake happen in analyzing conditional statements. If A happens, B must happen. But the reverse (If B happens, A must happen) is not always true. If B happens, A may or may not happen.

Similarly, Kate does not go only if Sam goes. Reverse of this (Sam goes only if Kate doesnt go) is not always true. This is flawed reasoning. The condition has to reversed and negated to become valid. Only one of negation or reversal will make the reasoning wrong
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you’re right. altho my mistake was that i didnt pay attention to the word only.
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I got it now, the question is the hidden card here,
Say Sam has decided to attend that would rule out Kate from attending.On the contrary Sam decided to not attend, letting Kate to attend but later on Sam changed his mind and decided to attend the interview cannot be ruled out. If changing decisions is allowed or who makes the decision first is clear, that decides the number. But since max is asked , it is always being optimistic about all possibilities.
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Hi, I had one doubt....

The passage:
Umeshi Uyangoda saw her husband, Udesh, off to work every morning with a heavily scented handkerchief pressed to her nose, and a sordid little secret coiled inside her chest. Both were sickening, but neither as sickening as the stench from the municipal garbage dump down the road. It was this abomination, she told herself this gigantic purveyor of toxic gas and ill fortune -that necessitated her perfume and her treachery.

Once Udesh was safely out of sight, Umeshi scuttled up to the second floor, ignoring the leftovers on the breakfast table, the swarm of black flies gathering over globs of egg curry that were soaking into her tablecloth...

She went directly upstairs to her daughter’s old bedroom, whose door still carried Umanga’s hand-painted sign: Beware! Highly Educated Woman Inside. Little had been touched in the five years since the girl left for college in the United States wooden shelves still sinking under the weight of so many books, walls still papered with magazines’ cutouts of Umanga’s idols, all women whose names eternally escaped Umeshi. No matter. She had eyes for only two things in this room: the Sunday newspaper supplement and a bulky Windows PC.

While the machine revved up, Umeshi spread out the Classifieds, using her thumbnail to crease down the centerfold of the BRIDEGROOMS section. The paper’s flat rate of 25 rupees per word encouraged brevity, which in turn exposed the base, unfiltered aspirations of (the) entire [Sri Lankan] nation:

"Govi-Buddhist parents seek obedient, fair girl for our son (5’10"). He is Devoid of All Vices (non- smoker, teetotaler, hardworking), employed in leading bank, possessing Australian Permanent Residence (PR) and Significant Financial Assets. Desires immediate union with a slim and pretty bride. Reply with horoscope."

One had to be vigilant about the fine print, of course-Divorced after brief incompatible marriage or, even worse. Christian parents seek-but Umeshi had leamed quickly that these proposals were all of a pattern, reflecting a society clinging to old feuds and ancient bloodlines. While the profession or height of a future spouse might be negotiable, caste, community and color were not... But she was willing to overlook these families’ outdated notions in exchange for The Promise, the great offer of exchange that all the personal advertisements rested on: emigration. Dual citizenship for both bride and mother. A life abroad, overseas, elsewhere. Anywhere But

Here.

There were no names attached to the ads. Those, presumably, came later, when Bride [email protected] or nzparents [email protected] had shuffled through their responses and decided that she-and Umanga-were worth their time. But that hadn’t happened yet. And itstung.

Umeshi refreshed her inbox. She clicked on ’Spam’ and then, growing desperate, on Trash. She was new to this computer business, the mysterious world of the screen where things disappeared into black holes called Folders, never to be seen again. Not like real life, where everything piled up until you were forced to confront it. Here, On-Line, you pressed a button and started fresh-a new day, a New Window.

Qs. Which of the following candidates is Umeshi likely to consider as the most eligible match

for her daughter? (A) 38-year-old man employed at a reputed private bank in Berlin, and drawing a six-figure salary.

(B) 32-year-old man, once divorced, running his own business in Shanghai.

(C) 35-year-old Christian man, self-employed, with Permanent Residence in London,

(D) 35-year-old man employed at a reputed private bank in Kandy, and drawing a seven-figure monthly salary
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Are all major shareholders happy with the company’s progress?

1) Some shareholders are unhappy with the company’s progress.

2) All the unhappy shareholders do not hold a major stake in the company.

The information in statement (1) alone IS enough to answer the question, but the information in statement (2) alone IS NOT enough to answer the question.

The information in statement (2) alone IS enough to answer the question, but the information in statement (1) alone IS NOT enough to answer the question.

NEITHER the information in statement (1) alone NOR the information in statement (2) alone is enough to answer the question, but the information in statements (1) and (2) taken together is enough to answer the question.

The information in statement (1) alone IS enough to answer the question, and the information in statement (2) alone IS also enough to answer the question.

The information in statements (1) and (2) taken together IS NOT enough to answer the question.
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will you kindly explain

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St1 states that some shareholders are unhappy but those may or may not be the major shareholders. So, we can’t answer definitely

St2 states that those who are unhappy don’t have a major stake in the company means all those who are unhappy and have a major stake is 0. Therefore, St2 is alone sufficient
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