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20 Aug 2006, 10:37
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Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he also won the loyalty of its citizens: the invading Danes were well aware of this weakness and used it to their advantage in 893.
(A) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had
(C) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
(D) The fact that King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean that he
(E) Just because King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
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20 Aug 2006, 10:55
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(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had

"Just because" is incorrect SWE usage...
Eliminates A, C , E

Of B and D, only B survives as D is incorrect due to the hanging referent "it".

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20 Aug 2006, 11:03
haas_mba07 wrote:
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had

"Just because" is incorrect SWE usage...
Eliminates A, C , E

Of B and D, only B survives as D is incorrect due to the hanging referent "it".

"Just because" is incorrect SWE usage...

What is SWE usage.. ???

Don't you think "had" in B is wrong, because
The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had

in 886 gives definite time, how can we assume that event has occured before the given time frame.
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20 Aug 2006, 11:07
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A looks ok...

I think the usage of 'the fact' and 'it' is not correct.

B uses 'had' that is unnecessary in current context.
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20 Aug 2006, 11:26
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Standard Written English: SWE

For usage of "because":
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/015.html

"Just because" is informal and on GMAT won't be correct...

As for "had" my idea was ||ism:

gmat_crack wrote:

"Just because" is incorrect SWE usage...

What is SWE usage.. ???

Don't you think "had" in B is wrong, because
The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had

in 886 gives definite time, how can we assume that event has occured before the given time frame.
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20 Aug 2006, 14:12
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I thought the GMAT also hated "The fact that"?

I went with A but I am not sure.
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20 Aug 2006, 16:00
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OasisNYK wrote:
I thought the GMAT also hated "The fact that"?

NEVER. It is frequently tested.

A clause starting with "Just becasue" and acting as a subject of the sentence is not accepted in formal english. So A is out.
C,D and E are out because "it" can not refer to the sentence or clauses.

Hence its B.
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20 Aug 2006, 17:24
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good one...did not know that "just because" was incorrect. one more for the error log.
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20 Aug 2006, 17:37
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great question and explanations - I had no idea that 'just because' was not right in GMAT sense.

Just because I read Manhattan SC did not mean I could ace SC ;)
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20 Aug 2006, 19:41
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ditto necromonger

necromonger wrote:

Just because I read Manhattan SC did not mean I could ace SC
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21 Aug 2006, 03:14
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Gotta remember that "just because rule." Thanx Haas MBA.
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21 Aug 2006, 05:08
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GMATT73 wrote:
Gotta remember that "just because rule." Thanx Haas MBA.

It is not only the case with Just because but also with almost anything that has Just attached to it.

Even Just like is considered incorrect. Bcos it adds up a word without adding any value. Because or like are good as they are... Being Succint is the key here...
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21 Aug 2006, 06:16
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GMATT73 wrote:
Gotta remember that "just because rule." Thanx Haas MBA.

It is not only the case with Just because but also with almost anything that has Just attached to it.

Even Just like is considered incorrect. Bcos it adds up a word without adding any value. Because or like are good as they are... Being Succint is the key here...

Point noted. "Just like" is frequently given as an SC answer choice...
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21 Aug 2006, 06:21
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Informative post.
Two concepts duly taken care of.
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21 Aug 2006, 07:20
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gmat_crack wrote:
Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he also won the loyalty of its citizens: the invading Danes were well aware of this weakness and used it to their advantage in 893.
(A) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he
(B) The fact that King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886 did not mean that he had
(C) Just because King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he
(D) The fact that King Alfred occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean that he
(E) Just because King Alfred had occupied and fortified London in 886, it did not mean he

Well my answere is B, reason is little different. I looked for "had" and "had", since the sentence clearly hints King no more occupied and fortified London, I felt it was necessary to say "had", only B addresses this issue, E uses had in the first part of the sentence, but later it misses it in "it did not mean he".
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21 Aug 2006, 07:31
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It is not only the case with Just because but also with almost anything that has Just attached to it.

"just like" is incorrect but not "just as", which is frequently tested and is correct.
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21 Aug 2006, 09:43
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Thanks dahiya and haas. Nice explanations.

Just because usage not good in GMAT. Well said.

I picked A. I knew usage "it" is wrong which would not substitute clause.
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22 Aug 2006, 00:03
Professor wrote:
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It is not only the case with Just because but also with almost anything that has Just attached to it.

"just like" is incorrect but not "just as", which is frequently tested and is correct.

just as ...so too is an idiom but just because and just like are not idioms and hence are part of the wrong just usage family.
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22 Aug 2006, 04:00
Absolutely brilliant discussion! Lots of info on a single page! Btw...B it is.
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23 Aug 2006, 08:15
Going back to the past perfect nature of Ans B for a minute...

Would B still be correct if the passage did not refer to the year 893? I.e. the 'had occupied' is appropriate only b/c we know it took place before the year 893, right?

Thanks,
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23 Aug 2006, 08:15

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