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Kellogg vs Sloan - International admit, no scholarship

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Hi everyone,

First of all, happy holidays! Hope you all enjoy this time of the year with your family and friends. All the best for 2019.

Now, I am having a really tough time choosing where to go after R1 decisions. I applied to Booth, Kellogg, Sloan, Fuqua and Anderson. Was waitlisted at Booth and accepted everywhere else with no scholarship unfortunately. It has all come down to Sloan and Kellogg, and even after visiting campus at Evanston and Cambridge I am still having a really tough time deciding what to do.

Post MBA I want to work for a tech company as a product manager. Target companies would be Google, Microsoft, Amazon. I will also recruit for strategy consulting.

I think both programs are great for those tracks, with Sloan a little better for Tech and Kellogg a little (or a lot?) better for consulting.

I am looking for a place to increase my leadership skills, focusing on a strong core of business fundamentals and general management.

I consider myself as an introvert (not shy though) and I am an engineer. So yeah, MIT has been always my dream school. But there's something about Kellogg's vibe about being a friendly place that I got when I visited, and being out of my comfort zone with people from many different backgrounds and who are mostly extroverted team players will probably allow me to grow in a different way.

I am also aware of the visa situation in the US for international candidates so I am not betting that I will be able to get sponsored and stay in the US right after the program.
My ideal scenario would be to stay for a few years (have to pay back them loans!) and go back to Mexico in the medium term at a regional office (whichever path I end up pursuing, tech or consulting. All of my target companies have big offices in Mexico City).
Because of the above, it would be better I think to go to the program with more international pull, with the better brand and network outside of the US. I do not know what is the case between these two programs. I do know that there are more Mexicans at Kellogg than at Sloan.

Both are in or near big cities (Boston vs Chicago, doesn't really make much of a difference in my eyes), are pretty much tied in terms of rankings and their job placement and numbers is very similar.

I would love to hear your opinions on what do here, as you can tell I am pretty torn but I want to make a decision that will give me peace of mind and won't have me wondering "what if I had chosen the other program".

Thanks!
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First of all congratulations on your fantastic work! Well done with those applications.

You are asking the right question. In any program there will be a though moment and it is important not to have regrets during those times.

I don’t know is the short answer. The long answer is that Kellogg has always been rankled highjer but Sloan has a stronger international name with MIT behind it. Is Kellogg known in Mexico or South America? While you can say MIT in Bolivian jungle and everyone will know it and be fairly impressed.

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My two cents.
Firstly, congratulations! In terms of recruiting both will give you the right opportunities so I think it moves beyond recruiting numbers here. I voted Sloan due to international reputation relative to Kellogg.

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If you really are interested in a Product Manager role, there's a reason that with the exception of Harvard and Wharton, almost every school that does well in placing in silicon valley is because they have a strong business name + enough engineering alums who work there. Think of Stanford, MIT, Berkeley, and maybe even UCLA - all of those schools place really well into tech, but they also have countless engineers who go work in those firms, as well. You are tapping into the MIT network, not just the Sloan one. That's not to say other schools don't do well - Kellogg has an amazing track record in placing PM's in tech, but if you really are interested in tech/PM over consulting, MIT is worth a long, hard look at. Both schools will do well for you in consulting, with Kellogg the slight edge. But if I were you - go with Sloan. Just my $0.02.
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Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your input.

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Is Kellogg known in Mexico or South America?


Yes, within the traditional business world (tech giants, consulting companies such as MBB, Big 4, banking and finance) Kellogg is very well known, same as Sloan. I would say they are seen the same as in the US. Outside, within the manufacturing industries or circles where MBAs are not very well known, they probably won't, and even less so the parent university: Northwestern. MIT is known by everyone everywhere as you say.

Admit weekends are on Feb 1-2 for Kellogg and Feb 15-16 for Sloan. Unfortunately the deadline is Feb 7 for Kellogg. I was thinking of just putting down the deposit. This is a very important decision for me, and I was thinking maybe I will be able to make up my mind after I visit both.
Further suggestions are welcome!
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Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your input.

To answer bb

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Is Kellogg known in Mexico or South America?


Yes, within the traditional business world (tech giants, consulting companies such as MBB, Big 4, banking and finance) Kellogg is very well known, same as Sloan. I would say they are seen the same as in the US. Outside, within the manufacturing industries or circles where MBAs are not very well known, they probably won't, and even less so the parent university: Northwestern. MIT is known by everyone everywhere as you say.

Admit weekends are on Feb 1-2 for Kellogg and Feb 15-16 for Sloan. Unfortunately the deadline is Feb 7 for Kellogg. I was thinking of just putting down the deposit. This is a very important decision for me, and I was thinking maybe I will be able to make up my mind after I visit both.
Further suggestions are welcome!


Thanks for sharing.
I don't see how you will be able to rule out Kellogg before visiting Sloan so I feel putting down the deposit is the right thing to do. Then you can visit Sloan and see if it is worth losing deposit.
P.S. I would not hide the fact that you are torn and had to put down a deposit at Kellogg from the Sloan AdCom if that comes up in the conversation. ;) Never know what they may be able to bring to the table. It could be money or something intangible but still valuable that you may have overlooked originally.
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saga31 wrote:
Hey guys,

Thank you very much for your input.

To answer bb

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Is Kellogg known in Mexico or South America?


Yes, within the traditional business world (tech giants, consulting companies such as MBB, Big 4, banking and finance) Kellogg is very well known, same as Sloan. I would say they are seen the same as in the US. Outside, within the manufacturing industries or circles where MBAs are not very well known, they probably won't, and even less so the parent university: Northwestern. MIT is known by everyone everywhere as you say.

Admit weekends are on Feb 1-2 for Kellogg and Feb 15-16 for Sloan. Unfortunately the deadline is Feb 7 for Kellogg. I was thinking of just putting down the deposit. This is a very important decision for me, and I was thinking maybe I will be able to make up my mind after I visit both.
Further suggestions are welcome!


Thanks for sharing.
I don't see how you will be able to rule out Kellogg before visiting Sloan so I feel putting down the deposit is the right thing to do. Then you can visit Sloan and see if it is worth losing deposit.
P.S. I would not hide the fact that you are torn and had to put down a deposit at Kellogg from the Sloan AdCom if that comes up in the conversation. ;) Never know what they may be able to bring to the table. It could be money or something intangible but still valuable that you may have overlooked originally.


Thanks for the answer!

I have decided to go to both admit days. I honestly didn't think this would be such a tough decision.

One more thing maybe a current student could help clarify: I have read in many websites that Kellogg is supposedly better for general management. What does general management mean exactly in this context, and how is Kellogg better? Is it that much better?

Reason I am asking is because I want to become a better leader through an MBA, it's one of the big reasons why I am going to business school.
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saga31 wrote:
One more thing maybe a current student could help clarify: I have read in many websites that Kellogg is supposedly better for general management. What does general management mean exactly in this context, and how is Kellogg better? Is it that much better?

Reason I am asking is because I want to become a better leader through an MBA, it's one of the big reasons why I am going to business school.


I hope this link help you
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-scope ... Management
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What a great and tough decision! Make sure you go into the admit days with a list of questions you want answered and types of students you'd like to meet (e.g., someone in a career path you are interested in, clubs you are curious about).
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What a great and tough decision! Make sure you go into the admit days with a list of questions you want answered and types of students you'd like to meet (e.g., someone in a career path you are interested in, clubs you are curious about).


Hi! Thanks for the suggestion, I indeed will inquire a lot about the career path I am looking to pursue.

I was actually deciding for Sloan given the (majorly sided) feedback from you guys and family&friends, but Kellogg has done such a great job, a lot better than Sloan actually, of connecting me with people and reaching out that it's hard to not pay attention to that.

On top of that, the Kellogg Tech club reached out a couple of days ago and made me aware of the new Technology Management Pathway and the focus Kellogg is putting on Technology seeing recent trends.

In any case, hopefully admit weekends help me make the best decision.

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I’m also from Mexico and I’ve lived in Boston and Chicago, so if you want my perspective from a living situation, don’t hesitate to reach out!

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Hi all, I decided to attend both admit weekends (had to pay Kellogg's deposit unfortunately, they declined to extend it when I asked).

Funny thing, I saw like 10 people at Sloan's admit weekend that were also at Kellogg's. I spoke to a few of them, many were still undecided.
Most people at Sloan I spoke to were already committed to attending there, while at Kellogg, most I spoke to were still deciding.

For anyone that cares, I will talk about broad aspects that I used to compare both schools after their admit weekends before making a decision.

Welcome/closing speeches, alumni/faculty and student panels
Kellogg brought in impressive faculty and alumni for a variety of panels and remarks. They were fantastic getting everyone pumped up about their experience at Kellogg, tying it in to their success.
Sloan did not really bring in anyone except alumni, and we had a chance to mingle with them after a CDO short session.
While Sloan did not bring many people compared to Kellogg, I did not really think they needed to. Dean Schmittlein gave a very strong, personal opening remark that at least made me feel I was in a 'special' place. They showed a very nice video also, welcoming us to the weekend.
I think both schools did a very good job in this aspect.

Career fair and Academic Deep Dives
Pretty much identical for both schools. In both admit weekends there was an academic deep dive and a small fair with industries and current students that were recruiting for each industry. Nothing really stood out. I mingled around but with so many resources already online and having spoken to many people about it, I didn't really spend much time here.

Housing Info and Tours
Pretty similar as well.
Takeaway is that Cambridge is more expensive than Evanston, but not by as much as I thought.
I don't really mind living in either place so this was not important to me.
I was not able to attend the tour at Kellogg as I was flying back that day, but was able to at Sloan, housing seems to be spread around Cambridge (Inman, Kendall, Central) and there seems to be a ton of on campus housing options as well as off campus. Most people stay off campus while most internationals and families use on campus housing. At Sloan, you have to apply to campus housing, and I was told that usually people end up getting their top options.

Culture/fit/social scene
This is where I found the most differences and is a big part of what is driving my decision.
Both schools were great, people were fantastic at both and I couldn't have asked for more at any place. But as I mention, it became apparent that both are fundamentally different when it comes to how they view the social part of the MBA.

At Kellogg, I noticed that the environment was a lot more party oriented from the beginning. There were parties/events both days of the admit weekend and they were hyping up both events from the very start of the event. I spoke with some people from the LATAM club and students in general and the general consensus is that the social aspect is pretty intense. There are events, parties and get togethers every day. There was also mention that there's an environment for everyone (there's people that don't want to party, etc), but in general, most people were happy with the current social scene and belonged there.
At Sloan, it was pretty different. There were 2 events as well, 1 of them being a low key bar get together (compared to Kellogg's band event, which was pretty lit and fun). People were very upfront about Sloan being more of a bar than club kind of school and their social scene being a lot more diverse. I met people that didn't go out, people that did so sparingly, and also others that enjoyed getting together with HBS folks and headed to Boston to party from Thursday through Sunday.

In terms of culture, both schools are similar, with the only difference being that Sloan is a smaller program. Both places gave me a down to earth, collaborative vibe, with Sloan people being generally a bit more chill, while at Kellogg they were more enthusiastic/intense.

Funnily enough, I met more people with families and kids at Sloan than at Kellogg.

Academically, I could really tell MIT was all about innovation and entrepreneurship. They really reinforced the 'ideas made to matter' motto throughout the event. However, their job placement speaks for itself when it comes to more traditional MBA jobs. As expected, there is a bigger share of STEM professionals in the student body.
At Kellogg, I found a lot more diversity in terms of the student body and backgrounds in admits as well. People came from all over the place, and there was also more diversity on future career goals, while at Sloan, most people wanted to go into technology.

My main concern about choosing between these two programs, academically, was their approach to general management/soft skills.
I spoke about this at length with many people, among students, alumni, CDO staff, etc at both schools. My conclusion was that you don't necessarily need a course or two to develop this aspect, but more so leverage the day to day leadership opportunities, which are plentiful at each program. This is how you build soft skills and improve your leadership potential. In the end, both programs allow you to lead leaders in a learning environment.

Student led events
Both schools had great student led events, though I found a lot more value out of the Sloan activities.
The panels were fantastic at both schools, with focus on what students did inside and outside of the program, their experience recruiting, finding housing and living in Evanston and Cambridge.

Both schools also offered small group dinners at the end of the first day, hosted by current students. My experience was different in each event. I think I had a much more personal, thorough and enjoyable experience at Sloan's than I did at Kellogg's. We talked in depth about their experience, what they really thought about Sloan and I really felt that they were being transparent about their answers, especially what they didn't like about the program. At Kellogg, we ate dinner and the hosts offered us drinks. We had a superfluous conversation, we answered some fun facts about each other and about an hour later our hosts took us to the bar for the after party. I had a feeling that we were only there waiting for the party instead of talking about the program in a more intimate setting. Again, this was my experience, and I am sure there will be different experiences/views on this.

Both schools offered admits the possibility to stay with current students so they didn't have to pay for lodging. This was pretty cool, though space was very limited.

Sloan organized a pretty cool event in which we toured the whole MIT campus, visiting places such as the Media Lab, the Trust entrepreneurship center, the school of engineering, the infinite corridor and other areas. I was able to briefly chat with undegrads and even some faculty. It looks like Sloan really does care about integrating the business school to the entire MIT ecosystem.

At Kellogg, the entire event was held in the Global Hub, the main building, which is incredible. It opened I think in 2017 and its of course state of the art and spacious. There was no tour of Northwestern in the schedule, though I am not sure if this was because the polar vortex was in full effect right before the admit weekend, and it was incredibly cold, especially to me.

Conclusion
This was a very general summary of the activities at the admit weekends, so I would take it all with a grain of salt. Many people probably had a different experience, mostly aligned to their expectations and preferences.

After thinking about it I have decided to attend Sloan because I believe I identify more with their culture, especially about the social scene.
Both admit weekends helped me also understand that both places offer a fantastic education and network, so there was essentially no wrong choice here, as many of you pointed out.

PD. Thank you all who voted and commented in this thread! If anyone has any question please feel free to PM and I will be happy to discuss.
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