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Couldn't Y also equal -8? I know that when you plug in y=-8 you end up getting x^2 - 10x -16 = 0 which you can't factor out, but I didnt realize that until after I plugged in -8 (I plugged in -8 since we were trying to find the smallest value of X, I figured a negative Y would give us smaller values for X)
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Couldn't Y also equal -8? I know that when you plug in y=-8 you end up getting x^2 - 10x -16 = 0 which you can't factor out, but I didnt realize that until after I plugged in -8 (I plugged in -8 since we were trying to find the smallest value of X, I figured a negative Y would give us smaller values for X)

No.

When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as a square root, fourth root, etc. then the only accepted answer is the positive root. That is:

\(\sqrt{9} = 3\), NOT +3 or -3;
\(\sqrt[4]{16} = 2\), NOT +2 or -2;

Notice that in contrast, the equation \(x^2 = 9\) has TWO solutions, +3 and -3. Because \(x^2 = 9\) means that \(x =-\sqrt{9}=-3\) or \(x=\sqrt{9}=3\).

Theory on Number Properties: math-number-theory-88376.html
Tips on Numper Properties: number-properties-tips-and-hints-174996.html

All DS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=38
All PS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=59

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Hi Bunuel ,

Please correct me if i amwrong

Does this mean when gmat gives sqare root sign itself in question stem , then it means we should consider only positive root
and on the other hand gmat gave me a quadratic eqaution in question stem and when i solve it i should consider both +ve and - ve root ?

right ?
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Couldn't Y also equal -8? I know that when you plug in y=-8 you end up getting x^2 - 10x -16 = 0 which you can't factor out, but I didnt realize that until after I plugged in -8 (I plugged in -8 since we were trying to find the smallest value of X, I figured a negative Y would give us smaller values for X)

No.

When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as a square root, fourth root, etc. then the only accepted answer is the positive root. That is:

\(\sqrt{9} = 3\), NOT +3 or -3;
\(\sqrt[4]{16} = 2\), NOT +2 or -2;

Notice that in contrast, the equation \(x^2 = 9\) has TWO solutions, +3 and -3. Because \(x^2 = 9\) means that \(x =-\sqrt{9}=-3\) or \(x=\sqrt{9}=3\).

Theory on Number Properties: math-number-theory-88376.html
Tips on Numper Properties: number-properties-tips-and-hints-174996.html

All DS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=38
All PS Number Properties Problems to practice: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=59

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel ,

Please correct me if i amwrong

Does this mean when gmat gives sqare root sign itself in question stem , then it means we should consider only positive root
and on the other hand gmat gave me a quadratic eqaution in question stem and when i solve it i should consider both +ve and - ve root ?

right ?

\(\sqrt{}\) sign always means non-negative root.

In contrast x^2 = 4 gives two solutions: 2 and -2.
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. If \(y = \sqrt{64}\) and \(x^2 - 10x = (-4y^3 + 64y)*\frac{1}{96}\), what is the minimum possible value of \(x\)?

A. 2
B. 4
C. 8
D. 12
E. 16


We know that \(y = 8\).

Plugging this into the second equation gives:
\(x^2-10x = \frac{-4*8^3 + 8^3}{8*4*3} = \frac{-3*8^3}{8*4*3} = -16\)
\(x^2-10x = -16\)
\(x^2-10x +16 = 0\)
\((x-8)(x-2)=0\)

The possible values of \(x\) are 8 and 2. Therefore the minimum value of \(x\) is 2.


Answer: A

How did you get The numerator to -3*8^3? ->>> \(x^2-10x = \frac{-4*8^3 + 8^3}{8*4*3} = \frac{-3*8^3}{8*4*3} = -16\)
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Official Solution:

\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. If \(y = \sqrt{64}\) and \(x^2 - 10x = (-4y^3 + 64y)*\frac{1}{96}\), what is the minimum possible value of \(x\)?

A. 2
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C. 8
D. 12
E. 16


We know that \(y = 8\).

Plugging this into the second equation gives:
\(x^2-10x = \frac{-4*8^3 + 8^3}{8*4*3} = \frac{-3*8^3}{8*4*3} = -16\)
\(x^2-10x = -16\)
\(x^2-10x +16 = 0\)
\((x-8)(x-2)=0\)

The possible values of \(x\) are 8 and 2. Therefore the minimum value of \(x\) is 2.


Answer: A

How did you get The numerator to -3*8^3? ->>> \(x^2-10x = \frac{-4*8^3 + 8^3}{8*4*3} = \frac{-3*8^3}{8*4*3} = -16\)

It's basic manipulation: \(-4*8^3 + 8^3 = 8^3(-4+1) = 3*8^3\). The same way -4x + x = -3x.
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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why are we taking the roots when the question's asked about minimum value of the quadratic equation?
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why are we taking the roots when the question's asked about minimum value of the quadratic equation?
Please review the question:

\(x\) and \(y\) are positive integers. If \(y = \sqrt{64}\) and \(x^2 - 10x = (-4y^3 + 64y)*\frac{1}{96}\), what is the minimum possible value of \(x\)?
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I like the solution - it’s helpful.
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hello, why couldn't I factor out the x on LHS? I reached till x^2 - 10x = -16, but instead of making it a quadratic equation, I did x(x-10) = -16 and solved for 2 values, -16 and -6. why is this approach wrong?
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hello, why couldn't I factor out the x on LHS? I reached till x^2 - 10x = -16, but instead of making it a quadratic equation, I did x(x-10) = -16 and solved for 2 values, -16 and -6. why is this approach wrong?

How did you go from x(x - 10) = -16 to x = -16 or x = -6? You cannot set x and (x - 10) equal to -16 separately, because -16 is not 0. If you plug in x = -16 or x = -6, neither value satisfies the equation.
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