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I have a doubt what will happen in case of minimizing if we start with Test 2 and Test 3. I want to understand the logic for minimizing because I am always making mistake in these type of questions. Is there any rule that we have to follow while minimizing and maximising the values in 3 set questions.­
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­To be allowed to participate in the Olympic Games, an athlete must pass doping tests conducted by three different agencies. Out of 50 athletes, 40 passed the test by the first agency, 35 by the second agency, and 30 by the third agency. If all athletes passed the test by at least one agency, which of the following represent the lowest and highest numbers of athletes who might have passed the test by all three agencies?

The least number of athletes who could have passed both the second and the thirs tests can be calculated as follows: (Test 2) + (Test 2) - (Total) = 35 + 30 - 50 = 15. This scenario occurs when all athletes are passed either by the second agency (35), the third agency (30), or both (15), meaning no athlete is failed by both the second and the third agencies.

Using the same logic, the least number of athletes who could have passed the second and the third, AND the first tests can be calculated as: (Test 2 and Test 3) + (Test 1) - (Total) = 15 + 40 - 50 = 5.


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Hi Bunuel,

The explanation is clear and I understood the logic better after going through it.

During the exam can we approach this question in this way?

Applying the concept of set theory with 3 elements.

Passed for Exactly 2 + 2* Passed for Exactly 3 = 55.

Try the options accordingly.

Where 0 and 30 would not be possible as max 50 students.

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­To be allowed to participate in the Olympic Games, an athlete must pass doping tests conducted by three different agencies. Out of 50 athletes, 40 passed the test by the first agency, 35 by the second agency, and 30 by the third agency. If all athletes passed the test by at least one agency, which of the following represent the lowest and highest numbers of athletes who might have passed the test by all three agencies?

A. 0 and 25
B. 0 and 30
C. 5 and 25
D. 5 and 27
E. 5 and 30
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KarishmaB I got 5 and 30 using the maximum and minimum overlap you had taught in one of your videos. Can you please help me with this question here with the same approach?
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Hi Bunuel KarishmaB
I got 5 and 30 using the maximum and minimum overlap
Minimum is: max(0,40+35+30−2(50)) =max (0,105−100)= 5
Maximum is: min(40,35,30)= 30

So why isn't the answer 5 and 30?
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Hi Bunuel KarishmaB
I got 5 and 30 using the maximum and minimum overlap
Minimum is: max(0,40+35+30−2(50)) =max (0,105−100)= 5
Maximum is: min(40,35,30)= 30

So why isn't the answer 5 and 30?

min(40, 35, 30) = 30 only gives an upper limit, it does not show that 30 is possible. If 30 athletes passed all three tests, only 10 + 5 + 0 = 15 remaining passes would be available to cover the other 20 athletes. Since every athlete passed at least one test, 30 is impossible.

You can check alternative solutions here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-club-ol ... 32579.html
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KarishmaB I got 5 and 30 using the maximum and minimum overlap you had taught in one of your videos. Can you please help me with this question here with the same approach?
This question has an additional constraint - that all athletes passed the test by at least one agency.
The at least one logic of max-min of overlapping sets has been discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IujMV4et-U

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Understood thankyou so much!Just to make sure, For finding out Min the procedure remains the same but when it comes to max first I did 40 so 10 would be outside the largest circle I bring down the second largest 35 to 30 by giving 5 to the 10 that were outside the circle.So now the second and third numbers would be 30 30 and there will still be 5 remaining outside the circle with nothing so I give 5 from these two 30's leaving me with 28 and 27. So 27 would be the maximum overlap number.I know the wording in the sentence might be confusing but I hope I've followed your method rightly!
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This question has an additional constraint - that all athletes passed the test by at least one agency.
The at least one logic of max-min of overlapping sets has been discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IujMV4et-U

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Understood thankyou so much!Just to make sure, For finding out Min the procedure remains the same but when it comes to max first I did 40 so 10 would be outside the largest circle I bring down the second largest 35 to 30 by giving 5 to the 10 that were outside the circle.So now the second and third numbers would be 30 30 and there will still be 5 remaining outside the circle with nothing so I give 5 from these two 30's leaving me with 28 and 27. So 27 would be the maximum overlap number.I know the wording in the sentence might be confusing but I hope I've followed your method rightly!
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Yes, it is absolutely correct.
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