NEW HERE? LEARN MORE
closeclose
Last visit was: 25 Apr 2024, 20:12 It is currently 25 Apr 2024, 20:12
Decision Tracker
My Rewards
New posts
New comers' posts

Close
GMAT Club Daily Prep
Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History
Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.
Go to My Error Log Learn more
Close
Request Expert Reply
Confirm Cancel

Meaning & Concision

SORT BY:
Date
Kudos
Tags:
Find Similar Topics 
Show Tags
Hide Tags
User avatar
B
Patilsv28
Intern
Intern
Joined: 14 Jun 2019
Posts: 27
Own Kudos [?]: 3 [0]
Given Kudos: 42
Location: India
Schools: (S)
GMAT 1: 640 Q47 V31
Send PM
Meaning & Concision [#permalink] New post   15 May 2020, 04:33
Problem : The team has a determination to gain a victory.

Solution (As per Manhattan SC book) :The team IS determined to win.

In the above concision problem, VAN the rule is used, i.e., prefer Verb over an Adjective/Adverb and an Adjective/Adverb over a noun. The noun DETERMINATION in the problem statement has been replaced by adjective 'DETERMINED'. Why can't we write this as below:

The team HAS determined to win.

In this form, DETERMINED is now verb, which is always preferred over an adjective.
avatar
S
Gknight5603
Manager
Manager
Joined: 26 Oct 2019
Posts: 134
Own Kudos [?]: 51 [0]
Given Kudos: 292
Location: India
GMAT 1: 680 Q49 V34
GPA: 4
Send PM
Re: Meaning & Concision [#permalink] New post   15 May 2020, 04:40
because Team has determined.... means nothing....
Use simple present: Team is determined....

Posted from my mobile device
User avatar
L
shameekv1989
Director
Director
Joined: 14 Dec 2019
Posts: 829
Own Kudos [?]: 888 [0]
Given Kudos: 354
Location: Poland
Concentration: Entrepreneurship, Strategy
Schools: Cambridge '22 (D) WBS (A$) IIMA PGPX'22 (D) WHU MBA (WD) ISB'22 (D)
GMAT 1: 640 Q49 V27
GMAT 2: 660 Q49 V31
GMAT 3: 720 Q50 V38
GPA: 4
WE:Engineering (Consumer Electronics)
Send PM
GMAT ToolKit User Reviews Badge
Re: Meaning & Concision [#permalink] New post   15 May 2020, 05:12
Patilsv28 wrote:
Problem : The team has a determination to gain a victory.

Solution (As per Manhattan SC book) :The team IS determined to win.

In the above concision problem, VAN the rule is used, i.e., prefer Verb over an Adjective/Adverb and an Adjective/Adverb over a noun. The noun DETERMINATION in the problem statement has been replaced by adjective 'DETERMINED'. Why can't we write this as below:

The team HAS determined to win.

In this form, DETERMINED is now verb, which is always preferred over an adjective.


Because
"is determined" = possessing will power
"has determined" = has figured out - usually followed by "that" + clause. Team has determined that its chances of winning next game is almost 100%.

These will mean two different things all together.
User avatar
D
Staphyk
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 20 Mar 2018
Posts: 476
Own Kudos [?]: 352 [0]
Given Kudos: 149
Location: Ghana
Concentration: Finance, Statistics
GMAT 1: 710 Q49 V39
Send PM
Reviews Badge
Meaning & Concision [#permalink] New post   15 May 2020, 05:39
(1) The team is determined to win
This states a fact about the team (imagine a game ongoing now) intent to win probably due to their performance, how they trained.... or something else the speaker has observed/experienced.It doesn’t matter wether speaker is speaking the truth or not

(2) The team has determined to win
Here at some point in the past the team (completed game) had an intent to win and still showing this intention (probably an upcoming game/ongoing game) to win

The two have different meaning

Patilsv28 wrote:
Problem : The team has a determination to gain a victory.

Solution (As per Manhattan SC book) :The team IS determined to win.

In the above concision problem, VAN the rule is used, i.e., prefer Verb over an Adjective/Adverb and an Adjective/Adverb over a noun. The noun DETERMINATION in the problem statement has been replaced by adjective 'DETERMINED'. Why can't we write this as below:

The team HAS determined to win.

In this form, DETERMINED is now verb, which is always preferred over an adjective.


Posted from my mobile device
GMAT Club Bot
gmatclubot
Meaning & Concision [#permalink]
15 May 2020, 05:39
Moderators:
GMATNinja
GMAT Club Verbal Expert
6921 posts
GMATNinjaTwo
GMAT Club Verbal Expert
238 posts
Sajjad1994
GRE Forum Moderator
13961 posts

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne
Main navigation
GMAT Resources
Partners
MBA Resources
www.gmac.com|www.mba.com | | GMAT Club Rules | Terms and Conditions