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New post 05 Jul 2014, 09:12
Going with the 'cut the fluff' does the sentence makes sense?

More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

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Going with the 'cut the fluff' does the sentence makes sense?

More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

Can anyone enlighten me?

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I'm happy to respond. :-)

Simply put, you cut the wrong fluff. The structure of this sentence is:
[independent clause][modifier #1[modifier #2]
and "modifier #2" modifies the words "20 percent" in modifier #1. If we eliminate modifier #1, it doesn't make sense, because what modifier #2 is modifying isn't there!

Does all this make sense?
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Can someone plz tell me why E i wrng ?

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I'm happy to respond. In the original ...
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
... the phrase "more than all the North American Great Lakes combined" is a comparison to "which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water." Lake Baikal holds 20%, and this more than the Great Lakes hold. Very clear.

Now, look at (E):
More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.
Here, the modifier "More than all the North American Great Lakes combined" appears at the beginning, and modifiers at the beginning of the sentence typically modify the subject, so here it would modify Lake Baikal. This is an illogical comparison. Think about just this comparison.
Siberia's Lake Baikal is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
More what? We get some sense of what the sentence is trying to say, but it is not said with precision. In fact, Lake Baikal holds more fresh water than the Great Lakes, but that is not clear from this comparison. The comparison is illogical and incorrect.

Does this make sense?
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.

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Can someone explain me why (B) is incorrect?

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Can someone explain me why (B) is incorrect?

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(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

I rejected B, after observing ", that" -- comma should not precede that (essential modifier)
Further even if we accept the use of that, comparison is not proper. fresh water is being compared with north American lakes.
Also meaning wise, I think "SLB has 300 rivers" implies that rivers belongs to SLB and they also drain into it.
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regarding the use of "that"

MGMAT SC says that the GMAT has an inconsistent position on the usage of "that".
It can be preceded and followed by a comma.

Is this correct?
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MGMAT SC says that the GMAT has an inconsistent position on the usage of "that".
It can be preceded and followed by a comma.


i guess u have not comprehended this usage correctly . if at all "that" is preceded by comma then that comma must be a part of some other construction .i do not have an example at hand but i will explain as what i mean

consider the following construction : subject ........noun, some modifier, that.... -----> in this case u might think that comma has preceded "that" ,when in fact that comma is part of "modifier" construction !!
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Can someone please explain why option E is incorrect?
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Can someone please explain why option E is incorrect?


Check this link : more-than-300-rivers-drain-into-siberia-s-lake-baikal-which-64501-20.html#p1380800
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Thanks a lot for your explanations. But can you please tell what's wrong with E?
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Thanks a lot for your explanations. But can you please tell what's wrong with E?

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My friend, choice (E) is an illogical comparison, and illogical comparisons are always wrong on the GMAT. Please read my previous post in this thread carefully.
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

Lets analyze the sentence:

Clause 1 : More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal,
Clause 2: which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined

Which correctly modifying Baikal and more is correctly modifying water. This is correct sentence. Subject - Verb agreement is accounted for. Hence there is no problem in A



(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it. - Presence of That is awkward. That is modifying water because that is essential modifier and Baikal has more than 300 River is not the intended meaning.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent. Very awkward sentence. It has no referent. More of and that of is wrong.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. : Two clause separated by comma only. Use of while is wrong. Draining of rivers has not to do anything with volume of water.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water. - Lake can not be more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. Wrong use of Modifier. This is tough choice to reject . This choice confused me a lot.
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B,C,D,E have one common error after comma they start with Siberia's lake .
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.

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b]The whole sentence is underlined, indicating modifier or logical predication issue. Keep an eye for intended meaning.
Sentence Structure:
[Clause 1 - Main Clause]
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal,
[Clause 2 - Sub Clause]
which holds 20% of the world's fresh waster, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. [/b]


(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
Subject-verb agrees in both clauses; the pronoun 'which' clearly refers to lake Baikal. Modifier "more than..." says fresh water in Lake Baikal is more than all the North Americana Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.
"that is more than" does not have a clear referent -> 20% of the world's fresh water is more than all North American Lakes combined?
"Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that..." -> Lake Baikal has rivers? The intended meaning Rivers drain into Lake Baikal.


(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.
"Siberi'a Lake Baikal,bla bla bla, it holds more" missing a Verb for Lake Baikal

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
"20 percent of the world's fresh water, which" means 20% of the worlds fresh water is more than Great combined. Not the intended meaning.
Also, "while more than 300 rivers" indicates contrast or simultaneous action. It is true that rivers drain into Lake Baikal and Lake Baikal holds 20% of world's fresh water. Two different information. No need for contrast or simultaneous action word such as 'while'


(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.
More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal -> Lake Baikal is more than all NA Great Lakes combined? Not the intended meaning.
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.


(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. Correct choice. 'which' refers to 'lake baikal' and 'more than all the North American Great Lakes combined' correctly modifies ' water'

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it. 'that' proceeded by ','

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent. No verb for 'Siberia's Lake Baikal'

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. 'While' is not required.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water. 'More than all the North American Great Lakes combined' must modify 'water and not 'Siberia's Lake Baikal'
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water. => it seems like Siberia's lake baikal is more than all the north american Great lakes combined => Meaning error
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I was more so between A and B. I dont' believe GMAT likes to place two non essential modifiers in the beginning. Anyways, the meaning definitely changes in B and the 'that' refers to water which is illogical
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More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
I think sentence wants to convey :

Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent. : Double subject

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.

More than all the North American Great Lakes combined - is refering to Siberia's Lake Baikal => nonsensical meaning
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E is wrong for the reasons Mike explained:wrong comparison

More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal"


This is saying Lake Baikal is "more than" all the other lakes combined. Grammatically, it's not clear. More than what?


A better way to write E would be like this:

More than all the North American Great Lakes lakes combined, the water of Siberia’s Lake Baikal, which comes from more than 300 rivers, makes up 20% of the world's fresh water.

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