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Hi,

I am a Chartered Accountant from India with 2 years of work experience (1 year in Valuation and advisory service and 1 year as Assistant Manager - Finance in a automobile company) apart from this I have worked with one of the Big4s for three years during my articleship in statutory audit department where I have catered clients from various industries including but not limited to NBFCs, Infrastructure, Insurance, etc.

I appeared for GMAT and I expected a minimum 670 as worst case and believe that 700+ is very achievable target. I turned the other way round, I scored 610 Q48V27, was highly disappointed with the score, as My verbal just isnt so bad. If you ask me about rules and stratagies:
1. I am aware of basic grammar rules, common idioms and structure problems, strategies like selecting low hanging fruits, slash and burn, etc
2. I am aware of common fallacies of CR and also about paraphrasing in RCs

I have exhausted all possible reading materials and so much low that I dont seem to be interested in appearing again for the exam.

I need your advise on below mentioned points:
1. With this profile and mentioned score which good bschools shall be a good target to go ahead with application?
2. Incase I wish to improve my verbal what would be a better way? (I have also scored good 40 in my mocks at times, just that there is a lack of consistancy where it ranges from 27-40)

Reply to this post will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sumit
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Hi,

I am a Chartered Accountant from India with 2 years of work experience (1 year in Valuation and advisory service and 1 year as Assistant Manager - Finance in a automobile company) apart from this I have worked with one of the Big4s for three years during my articleship in statutory audit department where I have catered clients from various industries including but not limited to NBFCs, Infrastructure, Insurance, etc.

I appeared for GMAT and I expected a minimum 670 as worst case and believe that 700+ is very achievable target. I turned the other way round, I scored 610 Q48V27, was highly disappointed with the score, as My verbal just isnt so bad. If you ask me about rules and stratagies:
1. I am aware of basic grammar rules, common idioms and structure problems, strategies like selecting low hanging fruits, slash and burn, etc
2. I am aware of common fallacies of CR and also about paraphrasing in RCs

I have exhausted all possible reading materials and so much low that I dont seem to be interested in appearing again for the exam.

I need your advise on below mentioned points:
1. With this profile and mentioned score which good bschools shall be a good target to go ahead with application?
2. Incase I wish to improve my verbal what would be a better way? (I have also scored good 40 in my mocks at times, just that there is a lack of consistancy where it ranges from 27-40)

Reply to this post will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sumit


Hi crack800

Based on your experience described I think you just had a bad day.

To answer your other questions, I can go now and number many business schools that can fall in your category, but I am sure that would be counterproductive, since you need to do your own research and you can only answer to yourself what is a god fit business school for you.

However, I will help you and guide you a little bit.

Where you want to study ? US ? Canada ? Europe ? Asia ? Australia ?

Do you want a big city or more quiet place for studying with less distraction ?

Where do you want work and live upon graduation ?

Do you prefer classes with fewer colleagues, or with large crowd ?

What do you want to major ? I assume finance. Is this school particularly strong in this subject ?

Do you prefer warmer or colder climate ?

Most importantly does their average GMAT score fall in your category + - few points ?

When you answer those questions and some of your own additional, you will have your short list of schools where you should apply, consisting of ones you like and ones where you could get in.
Preferably those will be the same :)

Now, best way of improving verbal is always reading.
Also, identify and work on your weak areas in verbal part, whatever they may be RC CR or SC.

Now, why are you asking how improve verbal if you dont want to retake the test ?

To conclude, I think you should give another try, since you quite possibly had a bad day, based on your mocks and expectations.

However that should be only your decision, based on motivation, time, cost and every other personal circumstances.

You know yourself best and be honest with yourself.

Hope this will help you to make best choice for yourself !

Good luck ! :)
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Hello Sumit,

To begin with, you should apply for an ESR to understand what your weak sections are?
Once you have an ESR, you will be in a better position to understand which sub-section
needs work. In order to improve your Verbal score, these are a few posts which might
help you with the details of what might be missing with your preparation

1. https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... 42361.html
2. https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... l#p1643215

In order to understand which colleges you should apply to, I would recommend you
to post a profile evaluation request in admission consultant forum. As billionaire
rightly suggested you should post the details of your target city/country to get better
suggestions.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

Hope this helps you!
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New post 02 Jun 2018, 20:32
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crack800 wrote:
Hi,

I am a Chartered Accountant from India with 2 years of work experience (1 year in Valuation and advisory service and 1 year as Assistant Manager - Finance in a automobile company) apart from this I have worked with one of the Big4s for three years during my articleship in statutory audit department where I have catered clients from various industries including but not limited to NBFCs, Infrastructure, Insurance, etc.

I appeared for GMAT and I expected a minimum 670 as worst case and believe that 700+ is very achievable target. I turned the other way round, I scored 610 Q48V27, was highly disappointed with the score, as My verbal just isnt so bad. If you ask me about rules and stratagies:
1. I am aware of basic grammar rules, common idioms and structure problems, strategies like selecting low hanging fruits, slash and burn, etc
2. I am aware of common fallacies of CR and also about paraphrasing in RCs

I have exhausted all possible reading materials and so much low that I dont seem to be interested in appearing again for the exam.

I need your advise on below mentioned points:
1. With this profile and mentioned score which good bschools shall be a good target to go ahead with application?
2. Incase I wish to improve my verbal what would be a better way? (I have also scored good 40 in my mocks at times, just that there is a lack of consistancy where it ranges from 27-40)

Reply to this post will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sumit


Hi crack800

Based on your experience described I think you just had a bad day.

To answer your other questions, I can go now and number many business schools that can fall in your category, but I am sure that would be counterproductive, since you need to do your own research and you can only answer to yourself what is a god fit business school for you.

However, I will help you and guide you a little bit.

Where you want to study ? US ? Canada ? Europe ? Asia ? Australia ?

Do you want a big city or more quiet place for studying with less distraction ?

Where do you want work and live upon graduation ?

Do you prefer classes with fewer colleagues, or with large crowd ?

What do you want to major ? I assume finance. Is this school particularly strong in this subject ?

Do you prefer warmer or colder climate ?

Most importantly does their average GMAT score fall in your category + - few points ?

When you answer those questions and some of your own additional, you will have your short list of schools where you should apply, consisting of ones you like and ones where you could get in.
Preferably those will be the same :)

Now, best way of improving verbal is always reading.
Also, identify and work on your weak areas in verbal part, whatever they may be RC CR or SC.

Now, why are you asking how improve verbal if you dont want to retake the test ?

To conclude, I think you should give another try, since you quite possibly had a bad day, based on your mocks and expectations.

However that should be only your decision, based on motivation, time, cost and every other personal circumstances.

You know yourself best and be honest with yourself.

Hope this will help you to make best choice for yourself !

Good luck ! :)


Hi billionaire,

Thank you so much for your reply. Just wanted to ask you on few more points. Actually I am in a dilemma about giving GMAT and at the same time i want to know about worst case scenario with this score. I am aware that even if my score were 650+ I would have been at a better standing. But even top 30-50 Bschools seem to have class profile above 650 in GMAT. I am interested in doing MBA which is not specialised one. As I am pursuing CFA as well. So with my background I already have good knowledge of finance. I want to understand more on where business fails and what factors drive a business. How can I uplift a corporate with my skills i.e. combination of finance and business skills ( for example: there are certain behavioral factors which needs to be considered when making a business decision, this is what I am expecting to learn while pursuing MBA and going through case-studies with the pool of those diversified students)

I would answer few of your above questions, If you have even few good bschool names, It would be highly appreciated. I need some base work to start with my research as I feel am running out of time for application for the next year.

Where you want to study ? US ? Canada ? Europe ? Asia ? Australia ? - As long as bschool will help me get better understanding of my goal, location is not much of an issue, but I would say not Europe as the economy is not growing there.

Do you prefer classes with fewer colleagues, or with large crowd ? I would prefer few colleagues, but again no compulsion on this area


Do you prefer warmer or colder climate ? AS long as climate is not extreme, it is fine with me.

If you have any names handy, then it will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for your reply to my post. Highly appreciate it.
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Hello Sumit,

To begin with, you should apply for an ESR to understand what your weak sections are?
Once you have an ESR, you will be in a better position to understand which sub-section
needs work. In order to improve your Verbal score, these are a few posts which might
help you with the details of what might be missing with your preparation

1. https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... 42361.html
2. https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... l#p1643215

In order to understand which colleges you should apply to, I would recommend you
to post a profile evaluation request in admission consultant forum. As billionaire
rightly suggested you should post the details of your target city/country to get better
suggestions.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-admissio ... tants-124/

Hope this helps you!



Hi pushpitkc,

Thank you so much for your reply. These links are very helpful :)

Thanks,
Sumit
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crack800 wrote:
billionaire wrote:
crack800 wrote:
Hi,

I am a Chartered Accountant from India with 2 years of work experience (1 year in Valuation and advisory service and 1 year as Assistant Manager - Finance in a automobile company) apart from this I have worked with one of the Big4s for three years during my articleship in statutory audit department where I have catered clients from various industries including but not limited to NBFCs, Infrastructure, Insurance, etc.

I appeared for GMAT and I expected a minimum 670 as worst case and believe that 700+ is very achievable target. I turned the other way round, I scored 610 Q48V27, was highly disappointed with the score, as My verbal just isnt so bad. If you ask me about rules and stratagies:
1. I am aware of basic grammar rules, common idioms and structure problems, strategies like selecting low hanging fruits, slash and burn, etc
2. I am aware of common fallacies of CR and also about paraphrasing in RCs

I have exhausted all possible reading materials and so much low that I dont seem to be interested in appearing again for the exam.

I need your advise on below mentioned points:
1. With this profile and mentioned score which good bschools shall be a good target to go ahead with application?
2. Incase I wish to improve my verbal what would be a better way? (I have also scored good 40 in my mocks at times, just that there is a lack of consistancy where it ranges from 27-40)

Reply to this post will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sumit


Hi crack800

Based on your experience described I think you just had a bad day.

To answer your other questions, I can go now and number many business schools that can fall in your category, but I am sure that would be counterproductive, since you need to do your own research and you can only answer to yourself what is a god fit business school for you.

However, I will help you and guide you a little bit.

Where you want to study ? US ? Canada ? Europe ? Asia ? Australia ?

Do you want a big city or more quiet place for studying with less distraction ?

Where do you want work and live upon graduation ?

Do you prefer classes with fewer colleagues, or with large crowd ?

What do you want to major ? I assume finance. Is this school particularly strong in this subject ?

Do you prefer warmer or colder climate ?

Most importantly does their average GMAT score fall in your category + - few points ?

When you answer those questions and some of your own additional, you will have your short list of schools where you should apply, consisting of ones you like and ones where you could get in.
Preferably those will be the same :)

Now, best way of improving verbal is always reading.
Also, identify and work on your weak areas in verbal part, whatever they may be RC CR or SC.

Now, why are you asking how improve verbal if you dont want to retake the test ?

To conclude, I think you should give another try, since you quite possibly had a bad day, based on your mocks and expectations.

However that should be only your decision, based on motivation, time, cost and every other personal circumstances.

You know yourself best and be honest with yourself.

Hope this will help you to make best choice for yourself !

Good luck ! :)


Hi billionaire,

Thank you so much for your reply. Just wanted to ask you on few more points. Actually I am in a dilemma about giving GMAT and at the same time i want to know about worst case scenario with this score. I am aware that even if my score were 650+ I would have been at a better standing. But even top 30-50 Bschools seem to have class profile above 650 in GMAT. I am interested in doing MBA which is not specialised one. As I am pursuing CFA as well. So with my background I already have good knowledge of finance. I want to understand more on where business fails and what factors drive a business. How can I uplift a corporate with my skills i.e. combination of finance and business skills ( for example: there are certain behavioral factors which needs to be considered when making a business decision, this is what I am expecting to learn while pursuing MBA and going through case-studies with the pool of those diversified students)

I would answer few of your above questions, If you have even few good bschool names, It would be highly appreciated. I need some base work to start with my research as I feel am running out of time for application for the next year.

Where you want to study ? US ? Canada ? Europe ? Asia ? Australia ? - As long as bschool will help me get better understanding of my goal, location is not much of an issue, but I would say not Europe as the economy is not growing there.

Do you prefer classes with fewer colleagues, or with large crowd ? I would prefer few colleagues, but again no compulsion on this area


Do you prefer warmer or colder climate ? AS long as climate is not extreme, it is fine with me.

If you have any names handy, then it will be highly appreciated. Thanks again for your reply to my post. Highly appreciate it.


Hello crack800

I did some extensive research for you.

First I am going to provide you with GMAT range for top 25 US Business Schools :


1. Penn Wharton 530-790
2. Harvard Business School 580-790
3. Stanford GSB 610-790
4. Chicago Booth 620-790
5. Northwestern Kellogg 600-780
6. MIT Sloan 580-780
7. Dartmouth Tuck) 620-780
8. Columbia 530-790
9. UC-Berkeley Haas 640-780
10. Yale SOM 640-790
11. Michigan Ross 670-760
12. Duke Fuqua 510-790
13. Virginia Darden 620-790
14. Cornell Johnson 590-780
15. UCLA Anderson 610-790
16. NYU Stern 580-780
17. CMU Tepper 570-780
18. Texas-Austin McCombs 590-770
18. UNC Kenan-Flagler 600-770
20. Emory Goizueta 630-740
21. Indiana Kelley 530-770
22. Washington Foster 640-740
23. Georgetown McDonough 590-750
24. Notre Dame Mendoza 600-740
25. Rice Jones 560-780

You will notice that your GMAT score alone is not a factor that will necessary keep you away from best schools, for instance all most prestigious schools such as Penn Wharton,Harvard Business School, Stanford GSB, Northwestern Kellogg, MIT Sloan, Columbia, Duke Fuqua, Cornell Johnson, UCLA Anderson, NYU Stern etc. have accepted someone with lower or exactly the same as your score !

Now I provide you with Mean GMAT score for the same lets say 25 best business schools in the world (or in US :) )

1. Penn Wharton 730
2. Harvard Business School 729
3. Stanford GSB 737
4. Chicago Booth 730
5. Northwestern Kellogg 732
6. MIT Sloan 722
7. Dartmouth Tuck 722
8. Columbia 724
9. UC-Berkeley Haas 725
10. Yale SOM 727
11. Michigan Ross 716
12. Duke Fuqua 702
13. Virginia Darden 713
14. Cornell Johnson 700
15. UCLA Anderson 716
16. NYU Stern 714
17. CMU Tepper 691
18. Texas-Austin McCombs 703
18. UNC Kenan-Flagler 701
20. Emory Goizueta) 682
21. Indiana Kelley 670
22. Washington Foster 693
23. Georgetown McDonough 692
24. Notre Dame Mendoza 674
25. Rice Jones 711


Now we will take a look at list that is most suitable for you, just based on your current GMAT score :

65 University of Colorado-Boulder Leeds School of Business 635
66 Claremont Graduate University Peter F. Drucker Graduate School of Management 632
67 University of Miami School of Business Administration 631
68 Babson College F.W. Olin Graduate School of Business 630
69 University of Arkansas-Fayetteville Sam M. Walton College of Business 630

70 University of Nevada-Las Vegas College of Business 630
71 Wake Forest University Babcock Graduate School of Management 629
72 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Lally School of Management and Technology 628
73 University of Alabama Manderson Graduate School of Business 628
74 Lehigh University College of Business and Economics 627
75 University of Connecticut School of Business 627
76 University of Oregon Lundquist College of Business 626
77 University of Pittsburgh Joseph M. Katz Graduate School of Business 626

78 DePaul University Charles H. Kellstadt Graduate School of Business 625
79 Drexel University LeBow College of Business 625
80 Hofstra University Frank G. Zarb School of Business 625
81 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Department of Management 623
82 University of Arizona Eller College of Management 622
83 University of Texas-San Antonio College of Business 622



84 Portland State University School of Business Administration 619
85 University at Buffalo-SUNY School of Management 619
86 University of Tennessee-Knoxville Graduate School of Business 615
87 SUNY-Binghamton School of Management 614
88 University of Oklahoma Michael F. Price College of Business 614
89 North Carolina State University Jenkins Graduate School of Management 613

90 Santa Clara University Leavey School of Business 613
91 Iowa State University College of Business 612
92 Syracuse University Martin J. Whitman School of Management 612
93 Case Western Reserve University Weatherhead School of Management 610
94 Fordham University School of Business Administration 610
95 Texas Christian University The Neeley School of Business 610
96 Thunderbird School of Global Management Garvin School of International Management 610


97 Northeastern University College of Business Administration 609
98 Baylor University Hankamer School of Business 608
99 Pepperdine University George L. Graziadio School of Business and Management 607
100 Willamette University Atkinson Graduate School of Management 607
101 University of Utah David Eccles School of Business 605
102 Rollins College Roy E. Crummer Graduate School of Business 603
103 University of Cincinnati College of Business 603
104 Clemson University College of Business and Behavioral Science 602
105 University of North Carolina-Charlotte Belk College of Business 602
106 Bentley University Elkin B. McCallum Graduate School of Business 601

107 College of William and Mary Mason School of Business 601
108 California Polytechnic State University-San Luis Obispo Orfalea College of Business 600
109 Loyola Marymount University College of Business Administration 600
110 University of Illinois-Chicago Liautaud Graduate School of Business 600
111 San Diego State University College of Business Administration 597
112 San Francisco State University College of Business Graduate Programs 594
113 Texas Tech University Jerry S. Rawls College of Business Administration 594
114 University of Vermont School of Business Administration 591
115 Brandeis University International Business School 590
116 University of Houston-Main Campus C.T. Bauer College of Business 590


I have divided list in three parts and this is how I would structure my application list.

Schools that I am familiar already are in bold, meaning that I know as a fact they posses quality.

Lets say you want to apply to 9 schools.

This is how you should structure your list, 2-3 should be your dream school, 4-5 should be your reach or fit and 2-3 should be your safety schools, meaning you are pretty much sure they will accept you.


For dream schools you can pick pretty much anything you like but I will pick here from GMAT 630-620 basket :

I personally would go with any of this schools :

University of Colorado-Boulder Leeds School of Business
University of Miami School of Business Administration
University of Connecticut School of Business
University of Pittsburgh Joseph M. Katz Graduate School of Business
Drexel University LeBow College of Business
University of Arizona Eller College of Management
University of Texas-San Antonio College of Business

Next would be reach/fit where you should pick 5 and from basket of GMAT 620-610, I would go with any of these :

University of Tennessee-Knoxville Graduate School of Business
SUNY-Binghamton School of Management
University of Oklahoma Michael F. Price College of Business
Syracuse University Martin J. Whitman School of Management
Fordham University School of Business Administration
Thunderbird School of Global Management Garvin School of International Management

Finally in "safety" there are many great schools, so I would go with any of these :

University of Utah David Eccles School of Business
University of Cincinnati College of Business
University of North Carolina-Charlotte Belk College of Business
Bentley University Elkin B. McCallum Graduate School of Business
University of Illinois-Chicago Liautaud Graduate School of Business
Brandeis University International Business School
University of Houston-Main Campus C.T. Bauer College of Business

Here I have provided you with extensive list of good US schools and gave you guideline how can you structure your list in order to maximise your chances of being admitted, along with recommendation of schools that falls in 3 categories, dream, reach/fit and "safety" solely based on mean GMAT score.

What you are going to pick from that list is only your choice, it should be based on your personal preferences.

Good Luck ! :)
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Good Morning billionaire,

Thank you so much for this research! :)

I can't express more in words but this is an amazing research someone can do for a stranger in such a forum!

I owe you for this work man!

Thanks,
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80 Hofstra University Frank G. Zarb School of Business 625


Good Luck ! :)
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Hi

Thanks for the detailed response and its been quite helpful.

May I please request to help and advice me with - Zarb Business school marked in your list. - Frank G. Zarb School of Business

1). Profile : I have 10 years of experience in BFSI Industry spanning roles in Operations, Transformation, Transition & Product Design. I have mostly managed Operations and Transformations/ Consulting of large and medium scale UK Insurance Clients during my career span. While I do enjoy Transformations, I am interested in higher studies to get a next level push for my career. While I am open to learning, I believe my background can help me deliver and add value in Financial industry or Consumer markets.

My GMAT score was just 590 - Q45/V27

2). I have received mail from Frank G. Zarb School of Business , offering me to review my candidature for their MS & MBA programs because of the profile I have been a part of and discounting my GMAT score or any other requirements.

3). Googled, their MBA program cost US - 60K annual and return is average basic US - 60k + variable.

Could you please advice, if this a good college to pursue and have good future prospects career wise i.e. work and salary.
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